Puzzled about fish

[Rags]

Originally posted by MadScot
One of the bad things about studying philosophy is that it makes you question assumptions. I tried to think about what was the moral thing to do. If I were trying to survive in a non-modern society, killing and eating anything you can get your hands on seems to me to be ok, as it it is necessary for survival. But in a modern society where there are many options, this seems not to hold water. Can we justify eating something just because it tastes good and we've done it for a long time? We could make similar arguments about eating other things. how about eating our criminals. hey there is a solution to a bunch of problems, world hunger and exploding prison population...

Anyway, i decided to use an intelligence test to determine what i eat. I only eat dumb animals: fish, chicken (poultry), etc. Smarter animals like pigs, cows, and pretty much most mammals are out. Sometimes i eat other meat, but i feel guilty later. I hate that I have the gall to have convictions but don't have the stomach to stand by them.

Oh, well,

MadScot

"What? Haggis isn't meat, is it? They told me it was a wee doggie!"

Dude, you can't really expect anyone to suck up that bullshit can you? I mean where do you draw the line between cute, cuddly, and intelligent between okay for consumption? Nature didn't give us urges to eat certain things for no reason.

Rags

[Sasq]

I may be wrong but I beleive we started cooking meet (and using spice for that matter) to kill the harmful bacteria inhabiting the pieces of half rotting meat we still had left over from that Mamoth kill last week.

mmmm beer feed cow, yes they have it, yes its expensive as hell and it's too marbled with fat for my liking.

Hmm whales now there is an interesting topic, talked with my partner about that, when she was still young before the ban on fishing whales came into effect she used to get whale meet for school lunches (it was cheap meet), as for the taste I havn't had any yet (ask me after i've been to a traditional Japanese wedding - and not mine). From what I'm told the taste isn't anything to write home about, its eaten now out of 1) tradition 2) its really expensive so its a show of money to eat it.


More quotes from Dennis Leary

And what are you?
I'm a beaver.
And what do you do?
I do cute little human things with my hands.
Your free to go.
....
And what animal are you?
I'm a cow
Get on the F*cking truck

Dan

[Lizzard[MPE]]

Originally posted by MadScot
when i was young, i loved raw ground beef. Then i heard about parasites and bacteria...MadScot

ugh. raw ground beef.. is that common with young people?

[Lizzard[MPE]]

hahahahahaha omg.. ok totally off subject.

ha i'm watching Talk or Walk.. and there talkin to this girl thats a porn chick and she was talkin about her boyfriend and then the guy inroduced him.. and all of a sudden out pops Ron Jeremy...


jesus. haha. ha. my god i need to go back to sleep

[Jorden]

You can't drink milk because they grind up fish to use as emulsifier!

Yuck. Remind me to NOT drink milk in America then, if and when we visit you, Jason

ugh. raw ground beef.. is that common with young people?

It's called American Filet here in Holland. Can you believe that? Is extra good to eat with cut up raw onions. It's only good for about 2 days, so eat fast

Jord.

[Sasq]

Liz, for a taste experience extrodenair I recomend raw horse, of course there is a dipping sauce to go with that

Dan

[Wulfman]

Originally posted by Gurm
You can't drink milk because they grind up fish to use as emulsifier! So sorry! I _suppose_ you can go find straight-from-the-cow milk, at $5 for a half gallon.

No vitamins, either. JUST vegetables, and milk (if you can find the right kind) and cheese, and eggs. That's IT. No supplements, no vitamins, no nothing.

You'll be ill before you know it. All the REAL vegetarians I know are stick-skinny anemic-looking people. You gotta eat a LOT of spinach to get the iron from one medium-rare porterhouse. And you have to eat a LOT of ... umm ... which vegetable has fat in it again? You _DO_ know that without fat you'll die, right?

And I'd LOVE to know where you'll get your amino acids from. There are quite a few that are only found in animal flesh.

- Gurm

Our milk here is sold after they remove some fat (mostly) and they pasteurised it. No emulsifier, no fish...

Vitamins are usually not an issue - if you know what you are doing. B12 is the biggest "threat" - but if you add milk or something made with yeast to your diet, you should have no shortage.

Iron can be a problem because your body cannot resorb it as good from plants as from meat, but if you avoid sustances that have negative effekts on that (coffee, wine, kakao,...) you should be able to manage that.

Fat is a minor problem, butter, cheese, oil (from olives, corn, sunflower-seeds,...) or nuts should cover the demand.

Finally, the story about the amino acids. There are 8 (or 10, depends) the body cannot create itself. They can be found in meat, in vegetables or cereals. If you combine them the right way (especially vegetables + cereals) there is no need to kill anything, except the poor microorganismn in the yeast...

mfg
wulfman

[SunDriedGrapes]

Gurm: it's pretty striking how different our experiences of vegetarians have been. I myself have been a 'vegetarian' (that is, not eating meat or fish, though I never call myself a vegetarian in order not to perpetuate a preposterous semantic prejudice, or, indeed, to be associated with *shudder* them...) pretty much all my life.

Perhaps I'm in some way 'magic', but I get by without supplements or esoteric diets based on kelp or magnolias or whatever. That notwithstanding, I'm in pretty decent shape. While all the vegetarians you've met were anemic weaklings, I have yet to meet (in Real Life) a single proponent of the 'You NEED meat' assertion whom I couldn't take with one arm tied behind my back...

[The PIT]

I think Vegetarian is cruel to plants. All those innocent plants screaming madly as they're pulled chewed on and killed.

[spoogenet]

Wulfman:

What is the threat with B12? I've heard it's bad before, but haven't really heard why. Inquiring minds would like to know.


And one more question, how is gelatin related to animals? I've never heard of that before, so just where does gelatin come from?

And for fat and protein....peanuts, lots and lots of peanuts.

b

[spoogenet]

Originally posted by The PIT
I think Vegetarian is cruel to plants. All those innocent plants screaming madly as they're pulled chewed on and killed.

Yeah, but when I see a head of brocolli it's just screaming to be smothered with cheese sauce and eaten with a pork steak...

b

[Sasq]

spoogenet, from 2am in the morning memory I think gelatin comes from horses hooves.

Dan

[The PIT]

Cheese sauce Yuk.
Do you know some people belief the vegables scream when you cook them. Never heard it myself.

[Wulfman]

Originally posted by spoogenet
Wulfman:

What is the threat with B12? I've heard it's bad before, but haven't really heard why. Inquiring minds would like to know.


And one more question, how is gelatin related to animals? I've never heard of that before, so just where does gelatin come from?

And for fat and protein....peanuts, lots and lots of peanuts.

b

The problem with vitamin B12 is that you might not get enough as a vegan.
It is produced by microorganism in animals digestive system and resorbed to the body, but not in your own body. You get it by eating meat, eggs or something we call "sauerkraut" or by drinking milk.
Vit B12 is necessary for the synthesis of red blood cells, the maintenance of the nervous system and the development in children. A lack of Vitamin B12 neuropathy can cause degeneration of nerve fibres and severe neurological damage is possible too.

Gelatine is made of kollagen, which can be found in some parts of the skin of e.g. cattle. Bones and not eatable stuff from the slaughter are also used.

mfg
wulfman

[The PIT]

You see the lack B12 is your body saying eat the lovely steak.