Sometimes it is ok to spank your kids

[The PIT]

Slight drift on the topic one thing helps to promote learning is making the lesson interesting. At school they gave up teaching me to read deciding I was backward. The problem was Janet and John was about as interesting as watching paint dry. My Neighbour replaced those books with Enid Blytons famous five. I read them pretty quickly then moved onto things like the hobbit and then into science fiction.
Of course I never learn't to spell properly but I don't care.

[Wombat]

You know, I was thinking about this thread, and I have to say that I'm a strong advocate of spanking, especially of other people's children. I have a couple requirements though:

-only the girls
-18 to 25 y.o.
-cute

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Wombat
You know, I was thinking about this thread, and I have to say that I'm a strong advocate of spanking, especially of other people's children. I have a couple requirements though:

-only the girls
-18 to 25 y.o.
-cute

Lol

[RusCoder]

The PIT

Saying most parents abuse there parental rights and therefore there children. Pure dogooders crap

Can you understand English?

1. They do not necessarily abuse their rights, they rather tend to ... unless they are constrained by, say, laws, religious or group habits, individual virtues etc.

2. parents abuse -> their children

Try to reread my post in case more carefully. It doesn't claim anything like that. After all, I'm Dostoyevsky's compatriot.

The post reads as follows:
Gurm is an intelligent person. Sometimes he has to spank his child. It serves the child well. That's ok.
The PIT is an intelligent person too. Two times a week he spanks his children. I have no objection.
But RusCoder is unlike them. He's a sadistic bast*rd. He just likes watching his five girls crying all day long. Last week, however, one bleeding TV panelist said RusCoder should go to prison. 'For assault and battery', the TV guy said. Coward RusCoder got afraid and stopped beating his tiddlers.
Presently Gurm appeared and claimed that 'spanking is not so bad and, in fact, unavoidable'. 'Woohoo', thought RusCoder and resumed his vicious amusements.

The 'no spanking' slogan is not for The Pit but for RusCoder.

[rugger]

Originally posted by RusCoder
The PIT


Can you understand English?

1. They do not necessarily abuse their rights, they rather tend to ... unless they are constrained by, say, laws, religious or group habits, individual virtues etc.

2. parents abuse -> their children

Try to reread my post in case more carefully. It doesn't claim anything like that. After all, I'm Dostoyevsky's compatriot.

The post reads as follows:
Gurm is an intelligent person. Sometimes he has to spank his child. It serves the child well. That's ok.
The PIT is an intelligent person too. Two times a week he spanks his children. I have no objection.
But RusCoder is unlike them. He's a sadistic bast*rd. He just likes watching his five girls crying all day long. Last week, however, one bleeding TV panelist said RusCoder should go to prison. 'For assault and battery', the TV guy said. Coward RusCoder got afraid and stopped beating his tiddlers.
Presently Gurm appeared and claimed that 'spanking is not so bad and, in fact, unavoidable'. 'Woohoo', thought RusCoder and resumed his vicious amusements.

The 'no spanking' slogan is not for The Pit but for RusCoder.

Your original post read nothing like that at all. Maybe you should be more careful when constructing your English. (since it doesn't look like english is your first language, I will forgive you)

To the rest of us, your post sounded more like:

The worlds interpretation of RusCoder
Only intellegent people, with High IQ's, know the correct circumstances for when they should smack their children. The majority of people are not so intellegent and abuse their children.

Now, to start off with, I am going to make it perfectly clear that intelllgence has nothing to do with parenting ability. Smart people often raise some godawful children while dumb people often raise really great children. Intelligence, as such, really has nothing to do with it. Other factors, like mental health, are much more important factors that determine if a parent will abuse their child.

Secondly, you make it sound like most people abuse their children. In my experience, that is clearly wrong.

Now, for the second message, you are saying that the "no smacking" message is only for sadist freaks that get off on the smacking sort of thing. Life would be so much easier that were true, but it isn't. This "no smacking" message is generated by a few minority groups who think children don't need to be forced into respecting the world, when in fact, most children do.

RANT MODE ON

Definition of minority groups: minority of people with no clue, no life and probably no brain either. These people seem to have no firm grasp with reality, and they feed of each others antidotical evedences until they fully believe the crap they pedel. Then they force their way into other people's lifes and insist that their way is the only way of doing it despite the lack of evidence in their favor or even evidence against them. These people make so much noise, they drown out any real discussion of the topic, which could prove them wrong, and persist until their ideas are the only ones accepted.

RANT MODE OFF

[KvHagedorn]

RusCoder, we need people in this world with enough common sense to be able to interpret the difference between stupid sadists and loving disciplinarians. That is why, unfortunately, we cannot outlaw spanking altogether. If we did, there would be far fewer people growing up with any sense of right and wrong.. a vicious circle.

So what I am saying is that wimpiness is just as bad as sadism. It screws people up eventually. Perhaps in an even worse way. The spoiled child will never really be able to deal with difficulties as well as the one who has faced them and come through that already.

The scarring in the case of the abused child is from lack of love, while the scarring in the case of the undisciplined child is in the child's own very character. He has no respect for his parents, because they do not stand up for what they preach. There is certainly a middle ground, and I think most parents can successfully navigate it. There is definitely a difference between discipline and assault, though. Those who cannot tell that difference admit that they have no powers of judgement and should relinquish the right to express their opinions in every way.

[The PIT]

Ruscoder I've just passed your orginal post through several people I work with.
There response was the same "Not every parent abuses there children what bullshit"
I think you need to take care of your own english.

[Joel]

Of course abusers are the only ones who get front page coverage, by the bleeding heart liberal press, thus making parental abuse look total out of proportion to what it really is.

Joel

[The PIT]

Yes the media have a got a lot too answer for. If a kid falls over in front of you you daren't go anywhere near them in case the Parents think you're a purve.

[Gurm]

Hey, you know what I just noticed? Faced with the blinding flames of our logic, Dancray has beat a hasty retreat! Woo!

- Gurm

[The PIT]

Well don't worry Dancray be back.
Do gooders always run and hide when faced with the truth.

[dancray]

"Do gooders always run and hide when faced with the truth."

Only in your extemist dreams.

Reality does not show Mother Theresa, Gandhi, Christ and Mandela running and hiding...maybe you haven't heard of those "do - gooders"...

LOL

[Wombat]

No, those are people that actually made a contribution to the world by actually doing something.

You don't fall into that category.

[Sasq]

There is a world of difference between a dogooder and a 'good doer'

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Sasq
There is a world of difference between a dogooder and a 'good doer'

Well a dogooder tends too live in another world. It's place they feel safe a place they can withdraw too when experiancing the horrors of real life that won't fit into ideas.

As for a good doer I dunno never met one.