Lawyers....

[Sasq]

Indiana, just to prove the point a few years ago in Australia they brought out 'Death' roll your own tobacco. It used to sell out almost immediatly...

Joel, Lawyers are still respected here (for now anyway) but socially here we don't have a 'I'm gunna sue you cause you got my seat on the bus...' mentality yet.....

But then again in Australia there are very few lawyers I'd trust further then I could Spit them

Dan

[ZokesPro]

Originally posted by Sasq
Indiana, just to prove the point a few years ago in Australia they brought out 'Death' roll your own tobacco. It used to sell out almost immediatly...

Joel, Lawyers are still respected here (for now anyway) but socially here we don't have a 'I'm gunna sue you cause you got my seat on the bus...' mentality yet.....

But then again in Australia there are very few lawyers I'd trust further then I could Spit them

Dan

As far as I know it, we don't have that mentality here in Canada either. We usually end up apologizing before things get out of hand.

[Indiana]

BTW, half of my family consists of lawyers, so I know those folks quite well.
IMO for the most most parts it's not the lawyers I'm afraid of: they're doing their job and are paid for it. Although they might be working for real scumbags sometimes, that's still not not really much different from many other jobs .
It's more the judges and the legislation which I m afraid of...

[Indiana]

Originally posted by Sasq
socially here we don't have a 'I'm gunna sue you cause you got my seat on the bus...' mentality yet.....

Originally posted by ZokesPro
As far as I know it, we don't have that mentality here in Canada either.

That's probably the main reason for most of those stupid laws / judgings (sp?): Really bad social mentality, I'd like to call this a "Dancrayan mentality" (hope he won't sue me for this )

[MadScot]

Dont blame the lawyers for these verdicts, blame the judges and the jury, and then the public for creating and maintaining the system.

[Joel]

Her son was driving, and he parked in the McD lot once they got to food. She opened the lid to put in sugar and cream.

That story saw so many different versions of what happened it wasn't until after the lawyer coached them on what story to tell in court that we had a so called final version.

The coffee was so damn hot that when it spilled it melted the skin off of her legs and genitals. Do you think that should happen?

No probably not. But you have to remember that what temp may scald and burn one person may not another. But do I feel that McDonalds is liable? No, not for this "accident". Now if the person at the window had of dropped and spilled it in her lap then that would be a different story.

But based on your logic Wombat I guess if my child gets into the bathtub and he turns the hot water on and scalds himself then I should be able to sue the hot water heater manufacturer and get lots of money for it.

Joel

[Joel]

Dont blame the lawyers for these verdicts, blame the judges and the jury, and then the public for creating and maintaining the system.

I do blame the ambulance chasers lawyers who are just trying to make a quick buck. I blame the judges, who were once lawyers, for not throwing them out And of course there are the very bias juries that are selected by the lawyers. So it is the lawyers after all. Let me clarify, US lawyers that is.

Joel

[Rags]

As usual we have the people who think they are taking the high road by slamming other people's professions. Get over it folks. There are bad people out there and there are good people. Some of the good people are lawyers.

Everyone hates lawyers until THEY NEED ONE. Then it's fine and dandy they are there.

Practicing law is a noble profession and one that nobody should be ashamed of UNLESS THEY ABUSE IT (I see many people abuse the powers their profession bestows upon them, so don't even go there).

Regarding the McDonalds case, the case was perfectly legitimate and should not have been thrown out. McDonalds had many other hot coffee cases they had settled previously. This one that made the news was different because the people who were victims of McDonald's negligence (and yes, they were negligent) refused to settle because it included a gag order and McDonalds refused to make a policy of lowering the temp. of their hot coffee. Their coffee, when sampled by PI's, was found to be a full 30 degrees hotter on average than their competitors. Their competitors had significantly fewer damage claims than they. Go figure, but hey, let's blame it on the lawyers .

Regarding criminal defense, if the police, prosecutors, etc would FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION then these cases would NOT be thrown out and guilty people allowed to walk. Our rights are trampled every day and the only ones who are our connection to the system in the fight to keep them are lawyers. Never forget that.

Rags

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But based on your logic Wombat I guess if my child gets into the bathtub and he turns the hot water on and scalds himself then I should be able to sue the hot water heater manufacturer and get lots of money for it

This is probably more valid, as the child cannot be expected to know what's "too hot."

Now then, we all know coffee is hot, but do you take your mug as soon as its poured and start walking about the house with it?

Say you spill it and burn yourself, who's fault is it?

A) The kettle for allowing boiling water to be poured from it (i.e. it should have a mechanism to boil the water, allow to cool to safe levels before allowing any release of water).
or B) You. You for taking the coffee whilst burning hot, and spilling it.

In case 'B', I'd like to draw attention to "taking the coffee" - not the spilling it. Spillages are often an unavoidable accident. But spilling boiling water (etc) can be avoided by allowing the water to cool before handling.

Should McDonalds say, "sorry, this coffee is still too hot for us to give it to you," or should you say, "keep that just now - it's too hot"?

Place your bets now

McDonalds should just sell Coke

[Rags]

Originally posted by Joel




But based on your logic Wombat I guess if my child gets into the bathtub and he turns the hot water on and scalds himself then I should be able to sue the hot water heater manufacturer and get lots of money for it.

Joel

It depends Joel. Hot water heaters are to be set properly so that even if you have your hot side on, it should not cause melting of your skin. Now if the thermostat was defective and they had known about it, I would think a law suit would be in order.

Rags

[Joel]

Our rights are trampled every day and the only ones who are our connection to the system in the fight to keep them are lawyers.

I'm not saying that all lawyers are bad far from it. I even have a few friends that are lawyers. That last little bit was suppose to be a bit of sarcasim. But you have to admit that it is a two edged sword sometimes. It's funny sometimes to see the some of the ones who were once protectors of our constitutional rights now are some of the ones trying to take them away from us but now they are in higher positions like supreme court justices and politicians.

Joel

[Rags]

That's my point. All professions are a double edged sword because they bestow powers upon those holding their positions. If they do wrong, it defeats the purpose. It's not just lawyers. It's PEOPLE.

Rags

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Lawyer Talk....


The professor of a contract law class asked one of his better students, "If you were to give someone an orange, how would you go about it?" The student replied, "Here's an orange." The professor was outraged. "No! No! Think like a lawyer!" The student then replied, "Okay. I'd tell him `I hereby give and convey to you all and singular, my estate and interests, rights, claim, title, claim and advantages of and in, said orange, together with all its rind, juice, pulp, and seeds, and all rights and advantages with full power to bite, cut, freeze and otherwise eat, the same, or give the same away with and without the pulp, juice, rind and seeds, anything herein before or hereinafter or in any deed, or deeds, instruments of whatever nature or kind whatsoever to the contrary in anywise notwithstanding...'"

[Wombat]

Now then, we all know coffee is hot, but do you take your mug as soon as its poured and start walking about the house with it?

Nope. That would be silly to think that coffee that I have prepared hot is safe for immediate consumption. So how is it any different if I instead take that coffee and pass it out my window to someone driving a car?

And I keep it on a heat plate to keep it hotter-than-safe.

And I'm a "fast food" restaurant, where people exchange money for food that is designed for rapid consumption.

"sorry, this coffee is still too hot for us to give it to you,"

Like I said before, McD's was <I>intentionally</I> keeping the coffee this hot. There's a difference between "this needs to cool off before we serve it" and "that coffee is almost safe, heat it up to dangerous levels."

[mainframe]

this is sooo EEVILL


A man died and was taken to his place of eternal torment by the devil. As he passed sulfurous pits and shrieking sinners, he saw a man he recognized as a lawyer snuggling up to a beautiful woman.
"That's unfair !" he cried. "I have to roast for all eternity, and that lawyer gets to spend it with a beautiful woman." "Shut up!" barked the devil, jabbing him with his pitchfork. "Who are you to question that woman's punishment?"