Circumcision

[Admiral]

Originally posted by ZokesPro
You guys know NOTHING about circumcision. It's obvious enough to tell who has been and who hasn't.

Fact:[list=1][*]If you ARE, it's cleaner and more hygienic.[*]If you ARE, it does NOT reduce sensitivity when having sex. [*]If you were to compare it to getting a clitoris cut off then you'd have to cut the penis off for it to be a FAIR comparison.[/list=1]

I don't obviously want my kid to get circumsized unless he has to but as far as I know it's not different than being born with green eyes than someone born with brown eyes. IT"S JUST SKIN!!!

Now, I'm not different nor do I have any psychological problems but I HAD to get cirscumsized. It happened when I was around 2 or 3 DAYS old. I don't remember it. And as far as my sex life? Well.... Let's just say I haven't heard any complaints, just compliments.

And as for the reason why, well according to my parents I had no choice. It was done for medical reasons. And there you go.

Now I hope your all a little more educated on this subject.

WOW there !
Getting circumcised is just cut foreskin, I don't compare it to removing the clit. I just wanted to point there are still some rather "barbaric" people that do it and point in a (faild) subtle way that circumcision is, well, not that big of a deal (compared to that).
Personally I was this close to getting circumcised for medical reasons when I was 10, got more foreskin than the average user, but my father was strongly opposed.
I just have to be more strict on the hygine without it done. Will I want to get circumcised when it will be my call ?... nah, I feel fine as I am.

[ZokesPro]

Originally posted by Admiral
WOW there !
Getting circumcised is just cut foreskin, I don't compare it to removing the clit. I just wanted to point there are still some rather "barbaric" people that do it and point in a (faild) subtle way that circumcision is, well, not that big of a deal (compared to that).

I understand the point your making and I do believe that it would be a fairly traumatic experience for a kid to get it done if he was any older than 2 or 3 years of age. And if I had to get it done when I was 10 (like in your case), then there would be no way in hell that a doctor is going to cut my male equipement just cause I had too much foreskin!!!

I wasn't upset towards you, just at the level of education of most on this subject.

[Admiral]

Originally posted by ZokesPro


I understand the point your making and I do believe that it would be a fairly traumatic experience for a kid to get it done if he was any older than 2 or 3 years of age. And if I had to get it done when I was 10 (like in your case), then there would be no way in hell that a doctor is going to cut my male equipement just cause I had too much foreskin!!!

I wasn't upset towards you, just at the level of education of most on this subject.

Actually I was rather calm about it, was with my mom when the doctor looked at it and set an appointment to do it, my father just made sure I didn't get to honor it.
Than again I was rather calm when I was a bit younger and had to get innoculated for something, till I saw the needle. My father had to catch me running around the hospital

One of my father's friends got circumcised when he was young because his grandfather insisted (was more in touch with tradition than the father). And they got it rather bad, he had some (a little) foreskin left that sticked over the head when it healed.

[Gurm]

Ok, I have a FEW thoughts on the matter:

1. I _was_ circumcised.
2. Logan _was_ as well.

Now... reasons why?

The biggest, and MOST important reason was... and here's where we get into "what does Gurm believe?"... that G-d told us to. Period. End of story. I'm Jewish, and the circumcision represents the agreement we have with G-d. We lose the foreskin, he blesses us and our children forever. Not a bad deal, says I.

Secondly - it _IS_ an established fact that ON THE AVERAGE, circumcised boys have less than HALF of the juvenile UTI's of uncircumcised boys.

The "cervical cancer" arguments are spurious in the extreme. However, for the sake of cleanliness, prevention of infection, etc... it's superior.

In uncircumcised boys, the foreskin is in fact ATTACHED to the glans penis - in some cases it has to be surgically detached when the boy reaches an age where he can obtain an erection.

Sadly, this attachment does not promote cleanliness - in some cases (I don't have a percentage handy) it is IMPOSSIBLE to clean out the secretions (shmegmata) which accumulate, which can lead to UTI's, and other infections.

So what's the downside? Some people CLAIM less sensitivity. However, judging by the average sexual performance of the American male (which, according to the American female is something short of lengthy enough) OVERsensitivity is a bigger concern on the average.

- Gurm

[Dogbert]

Umfriend,

See Gurms post. As a Jewish Israeli, I'm kind of bound Religiously, historicly and socially so I'm the (very) wrong person to answer the question. This is why I didn't vote my own poll as well.

I was circumcised and if and when I'll have a son(s) they'll be circumcised as well. (No problem with Alice here, she's kind of more religious than I am. Actually I'm the "bad influence" ).

I've read a lot about people saying they lost sensitivity etc. I don't and can't argue with that. But I can say and some doctors agree that circumcision has a very different effect when done on a baby/child/adult. The younger the age, the better the body adjusts to the new situation.

On a side note, there are a few people here (Israel) who are against it.
Many of them, in their ignorance, call this custom "Paganic"

[Wombat]

Many of them, in their ignorance, call this custom "Paganic"

How is this ignorant? It's yet another Judeo-Christian practice inherited from earlier cultures.

[Dogbert]

The circumcision wasn't inherited from othe cultures. It was a symbolic sign of monotheism as supposed to paganism at that time.

[rugger]

ONYATTHDIARFF

(Oh no, yet another thread that has degenerated into a religious flame-fest)

It seems to be happening a lot

[Dogbert]

Bring out the BBQ sauce !

[Wombat]

The circumcision wasn't inherited from othe cultures. It was a symbolic sign of monotheism as supposed to paganism at that time.

It wasn't? Funny, it's a common sacrificial ritual in many ancient cultures. If you're looking for documentation, check the Egyptians. It's depicted in pyramid paintings over 5,000 years ago. There's evidence of it occuring in other cultures earlier than that.

[rugger]

I'm staying out of this one.

Arguing about religion is pointless. Everybody has already chosen their sides, regardless of whether or not it makes sense. Nobody is going to listen to anybody elses points, regardless of their validity.

The only thing that can come out of a religious argument is frustration and resentment, on all sides. There are no winners, except those who choose not to fight

[Dogbert]

Wombat,

True, but not exactly - http://www.cirp.org/library/history/

[Wombat]

Umm, what "not exactly?" Your link concurs with me, although it omits some things. Here's the first thing Google popped up.http://www.circlist.com/rites/egypt.html

[Dogbert]

Yes, circumcision we here before Abraham was born.
Not exactly because abraham did it a little differently:

The Jews adopted circumcision as a religious ritual and preserved this prehistoric practice into modern times. The circumcision of Abraham removed only the very tip that extended beyond the glans penis.

[Umfriend]

Which does not contradict Wombat's statement that it was inherited from others, it could have been inhereited but just adjusted somewhat.
Happens often with religious and cultural things (I'll be buying a christmas tree soon..)
Umf