Political humor.....

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by KeiFront
I'm not even going to comment on your remarks Doc, you only bashed Europe.

My read on Europe is not only pretty much mainstream here in the US it's probably pretty mild, especially as regards the French and Germans.

Dr. Mordrid

[GNEP]

Doc: as is most of the Europeans' take on the US seen here. It's a fair representation of attitudes as I see it.

[Dr Mordrid]

My take is that when Europeans are faced with an impending danger they like to think about things singly, then think again collectively, then check the last 5 editions of the Political Correctness Guidebook, then consult their Swami then repeat the process 4-5 times before acting....if they ever get around to it before all hell breaks loose.

In the US we generally stick to basic principles. You screw us, we screw you worse.

Dr. Mordrid

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
My take is that when Europeans are faced with an impending danger they like to think about things singly, then think again collectively, then check the last 5 editions of the Political Correctness Guidebook, then consult their Swami then repeat the process 4-5 times before acting....if they ever get around to it before all hell breaks loose.

In the US we generally stick to basic principles. You screw us, we screw you worse.

Dr. Mordrid

Well, Doc.. lemme tell you about the last time Europeans did something this way.. it was called World War I. I can give them that as some measure of excuse (or could if anyone here can remember WWI.. any 100 year old Europeans around? )

[Dr Mordrid]

I was thinking more of Bosnia/Kosovo, which is a helluva lot more recent than WWI.

The EU's inability to get in gear before the genocides started back in 1991 was criminal....if not worse. It's the same kind of moronic behavior the UN has shown in Rowanda and elsewhere.

Here we call that kind of intrangiscence mental masturbation; otherwise known as inaction at any cost.

If the US hadn't kicked some European nations collective rear ends and got NATO involved in the Balkans they would still be wondering where to stack all the bodies

Not to mention all the hand-sitting/wringing and passive anti-semitism so pervasive in Europe while Hitler was gaining strength for WWII and the Holocaust

It's always this way.

Every damned time some European/Middle East/Persian Gulf crisis is all over the news all we hear from Europeans and others ad nauseum is that "if the US doesn't get involved sucessful action cannot be taken".

In short: nobody else wants to take on an international crisis unless the US and whoever comes along with us (usually the UK) do the paying and the bleeding.

If, on the other hand, if we try convince others to pre-empt a major problem the Europeans and the other "usual suspects" cry, piss and moan all over the place about "US imperialism" or how much we act like "cowboys" or how "stupid" our President is. Ex: the Iraq situation.

BULL****INGSHIT

Maybe what we should do is let Saddam get all the weapons he wants, then see how long it is before those same "usual suspects" to come begging for the US & Co. to bail their sorry asses out......again.

Dr. Mordrid

[Admiral]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid

In the US we generally stick to basic principles. You screw us, we screw you worse.

Dr. Mordrid

[Dogbert]

From the news:

BRUSSELS, Nov 26 (Reuters) - A group of European lawmakers called on Tuesday for an investigation into how European Union aid to the Palestinian Authority has been spent, but the executive Commission said a probe as unnecessary.

The European Commission allocates some 10 million euros ($10 million) a month to help pay salaries of state employees in the Palestinian Authority, devastated by Israeli military and economic pressure during a two-year Palestinian uprising.

Some members of the European Parliament expressed concern about a possible misuse of the aid, despite the Commission's insistence that auditing procedures are very strict.

"We are demanding a full parliamentary committee of inquiry that can look into allegations of misuse of funds in great depth," said Charles Tannock, a British Conservative MEP.

He told Reuters about 100 MEPs had so far signed a petition backing such a probe. Under the rules of the 626-member assembly, a petition needs 150 signatures to trigger an inquiry.

EU Commissioner for External Affairs Chris Patten dismissed the call for a probe, saying it would undermine moderates in the Palestinian Authority, and thus scupper any hopes of halting the cycle of violence in the Middle East.

"An inquiry would make it enormously difficult to continue providing aid (to the Palestinian Authority)," Patten told a meeting of the Parliament's foreign affairs committee.

Patten said Israel itself was using the same bank account as the Commission did after it recently resumed some of the payments of customs receipts owed to the Authority and frozen two years ago because of the conflict.

Earlier this year, Israel accused the Palestinian Authority of using EU aid to finance "terrorism", but the Commission said at that time its checks uncovered no evidence of any wrongdoing.

In a robust rebuttal of suggestions that the EU had been soft on Palestinian militants, Patten said the Commission had led international pressure for reform of the Authority.

"We have insisted on reform since we began the administrative assistance in 2001," he said.

"If we sunder relations with the Palestinian Authority it will be very difficult to claim that the EU is playing any kind of role in the Middle East region," Patten added.

And then some more...

http://www.aijac.org.au/updates/Jun-02/130602.html

http://www.heritage.org/Press/NewsReleases/NR081502.cfm

[Strahd]

Originally posted by gtforty


What??
I don't know of any other world figure that's put his foot in his mouth more than Cretien. I am embarrased to have him as our leader!

Yet he's still better than any other PM we've had in recent years.

[James_D]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
I was thinking more of Bosnia/Kosovo, which is a helluva lot more recent than WWI.

The EU's inability to get in gear before the genocides started back in 1991 was criminal....if not worse. It's the same kind of moronic behavior the UN has shown in Rowanda and elsewhere.

If the US hadn't kicked some European nations collective rear ends and got NATO involved in the Balkans they would still be wondering where to stack all the bodies

Not to mention all the hand-sitting/wringing and passive anti-semitism so pervasive in Europe while Hitler was gaining strength for WWII and the Holocaust

Tsk... If you mention WW2 you should at least learn your homework before typing.
First of all, Europe tried to stop Hitler in 1939, when they declared war on Germany. And till then, what could they do, there were no moods in any country to engage Germany, Austria, Hungary. (alliance already in 1936) England starte imidiatly to upgrade their fleet, and put mines in large areas of Skagerak, and the North Sea, and it was not till 1942 before the Japanese asskicked you americans that you engaged reluctantly into the war. You gave UK and Russia supplies. And the Antisemitism... well it was equally bad in the US on that time, and in Europe, well it was bad even in 8th century.

And for Kosovo, well that was equally Nato's mistake as EU. But you are right about Bosnia, that was Europes fault, but at the same time, Serbia was supported by Russia, and though it's not much left of its former glory, it's still has the largest army in Europe.


James.

[KeiFront]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
Nope; no lessons learned in the 20th century there, even though we had to repeat the favor several times

I think we learned a lesson: War only brings destruction.

The last two wars here in Europe caused massive losses and destruction. Both wars have been fought on european soil. When did America had the last war on his own soil?

WWI was the first war where mass destruction weapons were used e.g during WWI only in Ieper a small town in belgium the first use of chemical warfare took place (Yperiet (22 april 1915)), during the war almost 480000 soldiers died at Ieper. Or the battle at Verdun 700000 people died. In total more than 8.000.000 soldiers (58,480 US soldiers) died during WWI.

Then we had WWII almost 61000000 people died (civilians included) excluding the jews that died during the genocide . My own grandfather fought during this war and he had learned one thing, war is bad. People living from rations coupons and hiding in bomb shelters. FYI 295000 american soldiers died during WWII not one American civilian died. 62000 britain civilians died, 75000 civilian belgians died, 470,000 france civilians died, etc.

I think we at least learned one lesson, War is bad.

[Dr Mordrid]

So does this mean, as most Americans think, that the Canadian government is far from someone we should take advice from?

Dr. Mordrid

[ZokesPro]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
So does this mean, as most Americans think, that the Canadian government is far from someone we should take advice from?

Dr. Mordrid

It's not that bad.

[Strahd]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
So does this mean, as most Americans think, that the Canadian government is far from someone we should take advice from?

Dr. Mordrid

Was it not George W that appeared to invent words as he rambled on during his election campaign even though english presumably was his native language?

Was it not also he that only new a handful of the world leaders?

Was it not George Bush HIMSELF that called a reporter (on stage and with a microphone at his mouth none the less) an ****OLE?

There's a likely candidate to win the US elections. Oh shit he did win. Sorry Doc. You got the best leader in the free world.

[Dr Mordrid]

1. And very many famous Europeans were stutterers including Aristotle, Winston Churchill, Demosthenes, W. Somerset Maugham, King George VI, Napoleon I and Charles Darwin.

So was Moses.

On this side of the pond Woodrow Wilson was dyslexic and Theodore Roosevelt was a stutterer.

Grow up. It's what you say, not how you say it or the fact that you may trip over a word or three.

2. Pakistans President Pervez Musharraf only came into power about 2 weeks before that question was asked of Bush.

How many of the current batch of European "leaders" would know the names of the incoming US governors elected in this months elections? Some of them have larger budgets, have more people and produce more goods than most European countries.

Uh-huh.

3. I can tell you never met a member of the major media. Most reporters are ****oles. Truth hurts

4. As a matter of fact; we do. Hell and gone better than most of the absolute bozo's running the EU, Germany, France, Italy, Canada etc.

Dr. Mordrid

[gt40]

Originally posted by Strahd


Yet he's still better than any other PM we've had in recent years.

Sad, but true.