What Parhelia II features do you want???

[simpy2]

Re: Re: What Parhelia II features do you want???

Originally posted by Jizzler
Yeah, I would like:

- Triple DVI.
- 10bit gigacolor on at all times - even in triplehead mode.

The irony is that 10-bit Gigacolor is of no use anymore once you switch to DVI. The digital part of the DVI standard is built upon the TMDS standard which only supports 8-bit/channel data....
It looks like gigacolor is the next devaluating matrox feature

[Bigg]

Seems like we just need it, regardless of what features it actually has (if it will ever exist).

[Pace|Work]

Re: Re: Re: What Parhelia II features do you want???

Originally posted by simpy2
The irony is that 10-bit Gigacolor is of no use anymore once you switch to DVI. The digital part of the DVI standard is built upon the TMDS standard which only supports 8-bit/channel data....
It looks like gigacolor is the next devaluating matrox feature

Well...we will stick with CRTs

[Chrono_Wanderer]

yup. it's just LCD limitations... LCDs can do ~1billion or more once the tech matures.

i think... lol..

But I also have a question: On a DVI port, there are 3 rows of 8 pins, and on the side there are 4 more pins. Is it correct to assume that each row is used to transfer each color? (so 3 rows = RGB). or am i completely lost? Hoping for some advice

[sparky001]

Well I would like to see:

128mb parhelia (Radeon/Geforce competitor)
256mb higher clocked parhelia (Radeon Pro/Geforce Ultra competitor)
256mb parhelia with workstation drivers. Very expensive (Quadro/FireGL competitor)

and I would like to see a version that could replace the g550.
Something like a Radeon 9000 with triplehead would be perfect.

[rylan]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
[BBut I also have a question: On a DVI port, there are 3 rows of 8 pins, and on the side there are 4 more pins. Is it correct to assume that each row is used to transfer each color? (so 3 rows = RGB). or am i completely lost? Hoping for some advice [/B]

DVI ports actually use TMDS (Transition Minimized Differential Signaling). Its a low voltage differantial pair data standard for digital video links between PCs and monitors etc. Normal DVI cables use 1 channel, which is actually 4 pairs of signals and provides enough bandwidth for 1600x1200 true color 60Hz. TMDS is encoded by a trasmitter chip into serialized data such as a PanelLink161 from SiliconImage, so the rgb colors are all actually interleaved together in the 4 pairs of encoded signals. The high resolution chip runs up to 165MHz, which is theoretically enough for 1900x1440 truecolor, but card makers usually have it run at 1600x1200 max (around 132MHZ). There is a ground pin for each signal pair, plus DDC clock and DDC data pins, and hot plug detect to autosync to a monitor when you plug something new in. I'd post a pic, of the dvi pinout, but I have all that stuff at work.
If you look at your DVI cable, there will probably be a chunk of pins missing in the middle. Those are actually for a dualchannel setup in the dvi spec. For that, you'd use a pair of transmitter chips and send 8 differantial pairs of data, so you can do crazy stuff like 2048x1526 truecolor. There are extremely few cards out there that support duallink however. The additional pins along the side are for analog support.

[simpy2]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
yup. it's just LCD limitations... LCDs can do ~1billion or more once the tech matures.

In fact, the EIZO EX series monitors already have 10-bit output!! However, they use an internal look-up table to translate the 8-bit data that is fed through the cable into 10-bit output values. If only....

The good thing about these monitors is that you can edit the look-up table yourself. If I were to buy an LCD for colour critical work, it would be one of these...

[Bigg]

Originally posted by sparky001
Well I would like to see:

128mb parhelia (Radeon/Geforce competitor)
256mb higher clocked parhelia (Radeon Pro/Geforce Ultra competitor)
256mb parhelia with workstation drivers. Very expensive (Quadro/FireGL competitor)

and I would like to see a version that could replace the g550.
Something like a Radeon 9000 with triplehead would be perfect.

Yes, more market appeal would be rather helpful for marketing the things.

[Chrono_Wanderer]

hmm... Pitou.... I want

For some reason I can't stop thinking about Pitou....

Damn it Matrox... I want to kick that G550 out of the case!!!!!!!!

[Bigg]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer

Damn it Matrox... I want to kick that G550 out of the case!!!!!!!!

With a Parhelia II right???

[mikeul]

Pitou = P2

[jolle]

If Matrox puts out a card that keeps their 2d quality
and that can run games at the same or higher performance
then ATi and Nvidias highend cards Im going back to matrox
without hesitation.
Dx9 support all the way through
High 3d performance, drivers that are optimized for games
aswells as applications..
Good quality AA and FSAA with resonable performance.
and Tripple head with surroundgaming.. if i ever get rich enough
to get 3 displays..

Parhelia would prolly have been great with some bandwidth saving features and higher core clockrate..

[Nicram]

Like Nowhere say. The card should be like the G400 at start

[Chrono_Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bigg
With a Parhelia II right???

Nope... I want a Parhelia IV w/AGP Express , DX10, PS/VS4.0, OGL 2.0+, SixHead, 1000000fps in Q3.

j/k

[jolle]

hehe, DX10 isnt due in a few years since MS halted
development on DX, they think DX9 has features enough
to last a while..
wich is good since Featurewize your DX9 cards from today
will last longer..