The France/Syria/China Connection.....

[Dr Mordrid]

I would say oil connections for the US are tenuous at best. We could have gotten more oil at a much lower cost by dropping the sanctions and allowing full-bore Iraqi sales to the crude market.

Who really gains when it comes to getting Iraqi oil? Total (France) and Lukoil (Russia). They have leases on the largest Iraqi oil fields.

The US buys most all of its Iraqi oil from Lukoil.

Dr. Mordrid

[RedRed]

I was being flippant, GT.....

However, other countries have broken more...... I wont mention the 'I' word....

appologies......
RedRed

[Pace|Work]

Ah look. Nice to see how many issues are conveniently glossed over...

Red Red: Stop commenting about oil, it's a silly point and is all we're debating over

[RedRed]

Dr M

I would believe that that is one of the reasons that Russia is against war.... It cant economically exloit its reserves without an inflated price.... Keeping Iraq's oil out of circulation has pretty much softened that countries economic reforms....

RedRed

[YngwieM]

Originally posted by The PIT
Again MI5 said no connection between AlQ and soddem.

There're still a lot of points that USA say about Saddam, AQ, chemical weapons and so on that haven't yet been proved.

Then, for me and most part of the world everything is just prepositions...

And my opinion (based on prepositions) is that the main point for USA is.. OIL. And that oil, gentleman, BELONGS TO IRAQ (like it or not)...

BTW - if the war eventually happens... you guys really think that it'll solve the terrorism problem?

10 years after the war you may have a problem even bigger.

(just my two cents)

[RedRed]

Sorry Pace... Missed your post.... Its not all about oil.... Its about a country which will probably be twatted in 3 days time....

the drivers are simple. Glossing it over with 'removing WMD' - sold by MANY countries is just a white wash. And how ruthless this guy is - when it was well known when ALL these countries had their arm in - selling Anthrax, Scud tech silkworms even Nuclear reactors....

It just sickens me. It cant be dressed up with smilies and casual remarks AND treating an editorial and an opinionated peice of crap at that as fact....


What do YOU think will be hit in the first night?

Command and Control?
Radar sites?
SAM batteries?
'Milk' factories?

Or will it be the desalination plants again? - lest have another 60,000 people crap themselves to death wiith dysentry....

RedRed

[SpiralDragon]

Originally posted by GT98
So your saying that the ONLY Reason we are going after Iraq is because of Oil? I would agree that its prob one of the top 5 reasons, but not ONLY reason. You know Iraq has broken what is 18 different UN resolutions? How many times do you let someone "break the law" before you put them in jail?

i was wondering the same thing about israil......

should i provide you with a list....?

[YngwieM]

Originally posted by GT98
You know Iraq has broken what is 18 different UN resolutions? How many times do you let someone "break the law" before you put them in jail?

That'd depend on the severity of the resolutions they broke, GT.

BTW - they already have already been punished by the UN, don't they?

It's a matter of how big are their "crimes"... if there's something that really justifies a war, and there is proofs, I'm sure that even France will support you guys.

[Damien]

Originally posted by Dr Mordrid
I would say oil connections for the US are tenuous at best.
Dr. Mordrid

Sounds like the rest of the info that is floating around, a for and against a war is tenuous at best.
I am gald i am not at the wrong end of such factual info. I personally would like to live a little bit longer.

Damien.

[Brian R.]

Its difficult to discuss a subject when people believe only what news organizations they prefer to listen to tell them. Adds a wee bit of bias...

Also, you will have difficulty thinking of alternatives when you trust every bit of information your government states publically without reservation. Anyone fit this description in this thread?

[Damien]

Originally posted by Brian R.
Its difficult to discuss a subject when people believe only what news organizations they prefer to listen to tell them. Adds a wee bit of bias...

Also, you will have difficulty thinking of alternatives when you trust every bit of information your government states publically without reservation. Anyone fit this description in this thread?

A few maybe!

[GNEP]

Haven't you all got something better to do with a Friday night (give or take a few hours depending on where you are...)?

[Joel]

What most of us Americans, those that are old enough, have learned from being a world power for so long is that we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Personally I would rather be damned for trying to do some good, and possibly making a mistake, than for not doing anything at all.

Joel

[GT98]

Originally posted by Joel
What most of us Americans, those that are old enough, have learned from being a world power for so long is that we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Personally I would rather be damned for trying to do some good, and possibly making a mistake, than for not doing anything at all.

Joel

I agree 100%....better to do something now then have it come back and bite you in the rearend because you didn't do anything. Witness the ignorance the world gave the Talibain and what Al-Q was able to do with free reign in Afghanistan.

It doesn't take much stretch of the imagination that Iraq could provide materials to a terrorist group. Hell Hussein already gives money to Palestinians that blow them-selfs up in Israeli. It might not be readly appartent, but the possibitlity is there.

[GT98]

Originally posted by YngwieM
That'd depend on the severity of the resolutions they broke, GT.

BTW - they already have already been punished by the UN, don't they?

It's a matter of how big are their "crimes"... if there's something that really justifies a war, and there is proofs, I'm sure that even France will support you guys.

Well thats part of the problem at the beginning of this thread.....France has "dirty" hands when it comes to Iraq...shit even Chirac called Hussian a Personal Friend from their contacts in the early 1970's.

In reguards to the UN and Iraq...the problem is that the UN isn't enforcing the Mandates that where passed. And thats where its failing is....what did the UN didn't do jack in Yugoslavia and countless people died there for no good reason.