The Matrix Reloaded

[VJ]

Euhm, anyone thought about this:
Could the "zapping" of the sentinels be a vision Neo is having ? (so basically, what looks like a 2nd matrix, would in fact be a vision of Neo)


Jörg

[Ssin]

Darn so many more sleepless night thanks to VJ now.

[VJ]

Oops... sorry....


Jörg

[KvHagedorn]

um.. guys.. IT'S A FRICKEN ACTION MOVIE!!

LOL

[Technoid]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
um.. guys.. IT'S A FRICKEN ACTION MOVIE!!

LOL

Thanks for clearing that out

We now are enlighted and can relax and don't think about it, since its just a action movie

[Topha]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
um.. guys.. IT'S A FRICKEN ACTION MOVIE!!

LOL

How can you have any fun with that attitude? jk


But we did talk about the first one at school, both in philosophy and religion class
(Had to watch it quite often during my last year of school)

And while we are at it: How about Neo really being the One, not one of those machine fake Ones, but The One, in- and outside the Matrix?

Or maybe he could zap those machines in the end because of his connection with Mr. Smith? Who knows

[Gurm]

Well you're all assuming that there is a discrete machine for each entity in the Matrix - and that's not a safe assumption since we know that SOME entities are just programs after all...

- Gurm

[Ajax]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
um.. guys.. IT'S A FRICKEN ACTION MOVIE!!

LOL

We have to have something to think about.

[Belwarrior]

until at least the Revolutions comes

[Ssin]

Hey what if each sentinel was the connection to the Matrix for the people of Zion? What if Neo was connected to the SuperSentinel?

One more thing, if you're going to watch the movie or re-watch the movie (assuming you're not spoiled so far) wait for the ending screen to scroll of and stay comfortably in your seat, you should go for one hell of a ride

[Gurm]

Ok, I just had some SERIOUS breakthrough thoughts about this...

I think that EVERYTHING the Architect is saying has to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.

Let's address a few points:

1. The Matrix is, currently, in an indeterminate year around the turn of the century.

The architect says that there have been five previous "one"s. Morpheus says that Zion was founded 150 years ago. If Zion was founded by the last "one", quick math says that this has been going on for 900 years. So what, did the Matrix get reset to the year 1100? If so, how did anyone gain self-awareness of the Matrix, since all those who get out seem to be hackers? Or does the Matrix reset each time the "one" reintegrates? If so, that would confuse a LOT of people, and lead to even more people becoming aware of the Matrix. That's no good. Either way, it doesn't seem plausible.

2. The agents kill the keymaker.

If this has happened 5 times before... do they keep resurrecting the keymaker?

3. The Oracle is hiding out from the agents.

This doesn't make much sense no matter how you look at it.

4. Agent Smith "downloads" himself into a human.

I would think that this is forbidden. But the agents know all about Zion, or at least Smith does. His whole focus in the first movie was to get the access codes to the Zion mainframe! Additionally, he makes a deal with Cipher to reinsert him into the Matrix, and wipe his memory so he won't remember anything about the outside world... and to then modify the Matrix to make Cipher someone important. Now maybe he was lying, or maybe the agents are working more closely with the architect than you might otherwise think.

5. Neo "zaps" the sentinels.

I don't get this. It doesn't fit with any scenario. I'm forced to accept the POSSIBILITY that they are in another Matrix, but also... see, it just doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it. It makes sense that the last guy who could change the Matrix... was the previous "one". And that it was he who freed the first Zionites. But the timeline doesn't work. It's not like time runs more slowly in the Matrix...

ARGH! Brain hurt now.

- Gurm

[Jon P. Inghram]

Another question, how does the Oracle know what will happen to people in the future? If the people in the Matrix really are humans and as such are not tied to a fixed path of existance, does that mean she really does have some precognition, machine or otherwise? If not, I guess that means that the Matrix has already calculated every possible random outcome the humans the main characters will ever interact with, or it's really just a scripted video game FMV.

[Gurm]

The Oracle is puzzling. At first, you want to think "no, she wasn't helping". But the only reason you have to think that is what the Architect tells you, and I think the Architect is lying.

Regardless of whether there is a second Matrix, the Architect is full of it.

Neo is ALSO precognitive... which is interesting. I think Neo has ESP. After all, this IS several hundred years in the future. It could easily be the case that humans have developed ESP. Plus, who KNOWS what the machines' tinkering with our brains did to us as a species?

- Gurm

[TdB]

in the first movie I got the the feeling that the agents had some sort of connection to the sentinels, (they are probably controlled by the same system, or wired together in the same "net"). perhaps Neo "aquired" that connection from smith in the first movie, so that he is able to sense them, and possible hack them.
maybe he has a wireless connection to the system...


A completely other theory, could be the Neo is a program(a human-made superagent, with the purpose of freeing the humans, and destroying the matrix) made by human hackers(or the previous Ones, the fomer Ones probably do have the ability to Program a "One"), with the abiility to "upload" himself to a "Neo-body"(with a wireless connection to the system) in the real world, just like smith did to bane.
IIRC we get to know the previous One was "born" inside the matrix, could that be interpreted as "programmed" inside the matrix, and Neo is "hack-attempt number 6". If we take this theory further, we can guess that Neo is "programmed" with unlimited access(trojan horse?), explaining why he can sense and destroy sentinels.

[Ssin]

Gurm :
- I don't think the Architect is lying. He never spoke about the Oracle. He just said 'Oh please', when Neo spoke her name.

- Might be that in fact the One is another program one meant to overtake a human body. And effectively one made by humans to take control over the Matrix.

- One big question is that at least 2 "programs" know of there being previous One's. The Architect and the Merovingien. The others we don't know for sure.

- Some programs like the way the Matrix is and don't want it to be changed. Exemple : The Merovingien keeps the KeyMaker, he doesn't want the matrix to change.

- The Oracle might be just a big log file. She just reads what happened to the other One's so she's just telling Neo what the others did, not what he has to do...