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  • #16
    Of course I don't approve of rape, but I wouldn't mind betting there is more rape, proportionally speaking, in the armed USA than there is in unarmed Europe. It is not a question of guns; they never kill anyone. It's the person behind the trigger who kills them. IMHO, the problem is one of mindset and there is a mindset of violence in the USA. This mindset is kill first and ask questions afterwards and this is dangerous when the mind behind a gun is thus set.

    It is exactly the same mindset that pretexts knocking the bejabers out of the Iraqis and/or the Palestinians. IMHO, the reason the US Administration went to war before Blix and Co could finish their work was because they knew damn well that their pretext for violence would disappear into thin air, so they kill first and ask questions afterwards. And by kill, I mean that, according to a US study, ~100,000 Iraqis have met their end since the war was started, a greater rate of deaths than at any time in recent years under Saddam. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3962969.stm

    As for your story about the girls, the way you recount it is sick. Yes there is a problem in the UK (Why do you think I left the UK some 41 years ago?). However, a lot of this has possibly come from the other side of the Pond. The UK is in a state of legislitis Ã_ l'américaine. I believe it is this that forces the Police and the DPP to do nothing unless they have a 500% water-tight case. However, arming the shopkeeper is not going to help, is it? Just think for 5 seconds what you said:
    he's going to get a lot of vandlism and racial abuse from friends of these yobettes.
    Don't you think that, if he killed or injured one of them, he would get this in trumps?

    And, as you were a witness to the scene, did you help the shopkeeper make a citizen's arrest, while waiting for the police?

    I fear that this will end up in the Temp Forum.
    Brian (the devil incarnate)

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    • #17
      Nope becuase they'd have moved away knowing that a clean record is a more sensable approach to life. Also if they got battered people would say it's there own fault.

      Let me think when I was in a gang we knew who we could push around and who we couldn't. A policeman or an angry adult was something to avoid.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by dZeus
        what I mean is, I don't mind if they expose exploits in security of websites / networks, as long as they don't 'compromise' the security more than needed.
        A much better formulation of what I intended...


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