Have you emerged?

[schmosef]

Are you one of those people who objects to "party" being used as a verb?

[KvHagedorn]

Well, sometimes you have to be a stick in the mud or get washed down the river with the rest of the waste.

[KvHagedorn]

omg, you're hopeless...

For my sanity, I'm going to pretend you put a smiley at the end of your post.

Why not, "The process by which Private Ryan was saved"?

Grammar is a tool to faciliate meaning and message. It's not an end in an of itself. And it's relevance never supercedes meaning and message.

Its relevance is in defining meaning and message.

[KvHagedorn]

Are you one of those people who objects to "party" being used as a verb?

Depends who is using it.

If an ultrafine young girl were to say to me, "you wanna party?" I doubt I would care about her grammar.

[schmosef]

Its relevance is in defining meaning and message.

Facilitating, not defining. And a clear message supersedes the need for perfect grammar.

[schmosef]

Well, sometimes you have to be a stick in the mud or get washed down the river with the rest of the waste.

I'm visualizing a stick. But it's not stuck in mud!

[KvHagedorn]

Facilitating, not defining. And a clear message supersedes the need for perfect grammar.

The problem with this assertion is that people will listen to this advice and then neglect to use good grammar, ultimately mangling what they truly mean to say. That's very common in English.

[schmosef]

Seriously, have you studied English Lit beyond a secondary school level or 101 type post-secondary level?

I have. One of the hardest lessons to learn is that grammar is totally subordinate to message and meaning. Breaking grammar can even be considered as a powerful message in and of itself. When writing, one needs to consider the audience and the message being conveyed by the tone of words used.

Formalizing movie titles would be a bad thing.

It's been a while since I've read Elements of Style but, IIFC, even Strunk and White had separate rules for titles and where and when to use sentence fragments.

[schmosef]

The problem with this assertion is that people will listen to this advice and then neglect to use good grammar, ultimately mangling what they truly mean to say. That's very common in English.

Bah! I'm done with this thread!

[KvHagedorn]

As a matter of fact, I took several graduate level humanities classes at The University of Chicago. This type of class consisted of anywhere from three to fifteen students and one full professor sitting around discussing just this type of thing. There is a reason for those basic classes, though. The principles taught therein are the foundation for greater things. Do you think Huckleberry Finn would have been what it is if Twain had not been a master of the English Language? You have to know the rules before you can break them.

[Umfriend]

What did I start? Anyway, dZeus says it best, both simply sound wrong. "Driving Miss Daisy" does not sound wrong to me. I was not aware, and I am not sure, titles and/or slogans really need to be (complete) sentences. But this ain't my fight. Not fighting it.

[Fat Tone]

Are you one of those people who objects to "party" being used as a verb?

I bet he hates 'text' as a verb too! (I know I do).

[Brian R.]

How about "Do more with less"?

From my management...

[Sasq]

How about "Do more with less"?

From my management...

Until you have to do everything with nothing?

[KvHagedorn]

Exactly. You do the work, we take the credit, the money and the women.