Study: circumcision reduces AIDS risk 70%....

[Tjalfe]

Jeeze Jason, who peed in your Post Tosties?

As far as having it "undone" goes.
Why? I mean volunteering to let someone take knife to your weenie?
It makes sense if you have religious or health reasons I suppose.
But just to make the statement that you think your folks made a bad decision a long time ago? Seems a bit much to me.

I saw on TV a while ago how they stretch the skin to grow back using constant tension, no cutting involved ..

[Gurm]

I never said _I_ wanted it restored. Just offering some information.

As for who pissed in my post toasties... don't make ridiculous claims and then claim to have rock solid evidence thereof. 37% of Europe is not IMMUNE TO AIDS. That's just ****ing ridiculous.

[Nowhere]

But I guess enough that, in case if HIV would spread without problems, large number (most?) of world population would be European by descent...

[cjolley]

I never said _I_ wanted it restored. Just offering some information.

Opps, my bad english usage.
I meant "you" in the sense of "one" generically.

[Gurm]

But I guess enough that, in case if HIV would spread without problems, large number (most?) of world population would be European by descent...

I'm failing to comprehend this here.

Last time I checked they had NO idea what the distribution was of the people who were immune, in fact it was only a few months ago that I read the first announcement that they had found ONE person who was immune.

So while I might believe that 37% of the people who are immune are European... that leaves 63% who are NOT European... right?

And I still maintain that it's just not possible that 37% of Europeans in general are immune. It's just rampant retardation to claim that.

[Jessterw]

And I still maintain that it's just not possible that 37% of Europeans in general are immune. It's just rampant retardation to claim that.

The last statistic I heard was that 10% of the European population is immune to HIV.

[Gurm]

The last statistic I heard was that 10% of the European population is immune to HIV.

I don't believe that, either. I think that if you take some HIV-infected blood and inject it into 100 Europeans, 100 Europeans will get AIDS. Then, after a suitable period of time during which their universal health care doesn't give them the hyper-expensive cocktail that might prolong their lives, 100 Europeans will die.

I'd love to see some real studies that back any of this information up. Not picking on you, JW, just wondering where in the hell crap statistics like this COME from?

[Nowhere]

Well, assuming that 37% of the people who are immune are European (just assumming...) would have a result that the Europeans (or people of European descent...) would be much larger part of world population after a while if HIV would spread without problems. I don't see a problem in comprehending this...

And about research...I'm too lazy (and busy) to find them, but there's something suspicious going on about the thing - especially when looking at Scandinavians...(and I personally would be very surprised if 100% would get AIDS in your example...)

[Gurm]

So I'm googling for it...

I'm finding articles that start with the SUPPOSITION that 10% of Europeans are RESISTANT to HIV (not immune, resistant - nobody has any numbers, apparently, but MAYBE 1% of the European population is IMMUNE. Y'know, but they can't prove it...). Still trying to find one that demonstrates that the initial supposition here is actually true....

Hmm now I see that 16% of Scandinavians are... according to the same study... COMPLETELY IMMUNE.

Why isn't this in the news? Oh, wait - because it's ONE study that I can't seem to F***ING FIND. Let's keep looking (been through about 20-30 pages now)...

Ok these articles are all based on this one study in 2003. In fact, there's almost no reference to it after the end of 2003. Let's skip ahead:

This article from January 2005:

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=7197

Talks about the same research, only it attributes 4.5%-10.5% decreases in overall risk of acquisition per copy of the gene you have. Scandinavians and some Europeans have 4 copies, Africans have 1. That sounds like the TOTAL resistance transferred is under 50%, not 100%. That means that if you fvck an infected gay prostitute, you can flip a coin instead of pre-ordering the cocktail. NOT that you can just fvck IV drug using transsexual africans with impunity.

It also, however, points out that having low copies of this gene (like Africans) can increase your risk over 260%!

Let's keep reading:

In fact, every REPUTABLE source I can find seems to come up with the SAME CONCLUSION. 20% of Europeans have "increased resistance" to the disease, in ranges anywhere from 10% to 50% less likely to acquire. PERHAPS 1% of Europeans "can in some cases escape infection altogether". Real scientists and doctors are careful NOT to throw around words like IMMUNE.

This article:

http://www.nytimes.com/specials/women/warchive/980526_2007.html

Points out that EVEN those people with the so-called "immunity" CAN still get the infection from an advanced-stage carrier, AND that they'll DIE MORE QUICKLY than those without the "immunity". Ouch!

This article:

http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/516072.html

Points out that those with the single copy of the "immunity gene" still get infected, it just takes a long time for HIV to become AIDS. That's good news for Magic Johnson types, but it's STILL A DEATH SENTENCE.

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Ok, so to wrap up:

- 10-15% of the European population, overall, is RESISTANT to AIDS. That means they get HIV just like mere mortals, but that it takes longer to get really nasty. Joy!
- Most of Africa is EXTRA SUSCEPTIBLE to AIDS. That means that they not only get the HIV by looking at each other lustfully, but that they ALSO progress from HIV to AIDS more quickly. SuXX0rZ!
- Maybe 1% of the European population is VERY RESISTANT TO HIV... but can still get full-blown AIDS from a late-stage carrier... and die from it more quickly.

If someone wants to refute this, great. If not, please SHUT THE F*** UP ABOUT 30+% of EUROPEANS BEING "IMMUNE" TO AIDS. Jesus H. Christ.

[Nowhere]

You must be bored, aren't you?

(and I'm not sure how to interpret the ending of your post taking into account that, well...it was you who've said it )

[Jessterw]

I'd suggest calming down a bit. There's no need for "yelling" over an incorrect use of terminology. Point it out as wrong and move on.

[Gurm]

I'd suggest calming down a bit. There's no need for "yelling" over an incorrect use of terminology. Point it out as wrong and move on.

Sorry. Didn't mean to "yell", 'specially at you.

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I was just over from a different board where we've been dealing with MORE than a little frustration, and I was in "look you're being stupid here's proof" mode. My bad.

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[Gurm]

You must be bored, aren't you?

(and I'm not sure how to interpret the ending of your post taking into account that, well...it was you who've said it )

Heh. No need to "interpret". I simply recapped, since the first 90% of the post was "as I Googled" train-of-thought.

[Nowhere]

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Ahh, now we know for what the hell was waiting with freezing after release of new Debian and Apple switching to Intel...

Heh. No need to "interpret". I simply recapped, since the first 90% of the post was "as I Googled" train-of-thought.

Still not sure what to think about the endind. Last sentence. Name

[Gurm]

Still not sure what to think about the endind. Last sentence. Name

Would you have preferred "JUMPING JESUS ON A POGO STICK!"