Explosions in London (Bus and Tube) - Terrorists?

[bibble]

Hi all, well that was a weird day. I'm in south London but loads of my freinds ended up walking home and we had our town centre shut with bomb scares. Its funny, all I thought about was how annoying I couldnt get to the bank rather than oh my god its a bomb. Anyway normal day tomorrow...

[Sasq]

my heart goes out to those directly affected by this act.

for the rest of us, I would recommend sitting back and thinking a bit before you speak or act.
here is a quote from a well loved and respected fictional character, but the words are non the less true:

Yes, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice.

[schmosef]

I was watching a documentary on the March of the Living yesterday.

There was a scene were a survivor was telling a small group of kids how he didn't hate the Nazis. The kids couldn't understand why he didn't hate them. He explained: Hate is damaging to the person who hates, not the person who is hated. There's a difference between "hating" and "holding accountable". The Nazis needed to be "held accountable" for their actions. Hating them was a waste of time.

So to, those that perpetrated todays terrorist attacks need to be held accountable. Wasting our energy on hate filled fantasies of retribution damages us much, and them none.

[KvHagedorn]

On a bit of a tangent.. does everyone remember drslump from Spain? He was last seen on here Jan 7, 2004. After those Madrid bombings March 11, 2004 I always wondered.. especially when I see Kooldino's avatar.

[DukeP]

I was watching a documentary on the March of the Living yesterday.

There was a scene were a survivor was telling a small group of kids how he didn't hate the Nazis. The kids couldn't understand why he didn't hate them. He explained: Hate is damaging to the person who hates, not the person who is hated. There's a difference between "hating" and "holding accountable". The Nazis needed to be "held accountable" for their actions. Hating them was a waste of time.

So to, those that perpetrated todays terrorist attacks need to be held accountable. Wasting our energy on hate filled fantasies of retribution damages us much, and them none.

Wery nicely put.
I agree with all my heart, Schmosef.
As for the Jew who you quoted; Its amazing that he was capable of holding to such high ideals after what he have been through. Ideals are very fragile.

My (still living) grandparent was enough jewish to be sent to the concentration camps in 1944. After the war he went back to germany again to help rebuild their structure, and to help found the relief organisations that was soo much needed. Why? 1) he had some very good german friends back when he was young. 2) On his way back home from the camp, he witnessed the massive destruction in the german cities, most of which he had visited in the late '20.


~~DukeP~~

[The PIT]

Or we can fight back, induce the maximum amount of punishment to teach those idiots a lesson!

Sadly you're not allowed to do that to these people as you're infringing their human rights and you would also be called a racist.

One thing AL_Q wants is people to take the law into their own hands and attack Muslims. They could then recruit more extremists from these communities. Any slight attack with be seized on by the more extremist clerics to promote unrest within communities.

I'm very sorry for the 37 people that have lost their lifes and for the 700 injured. It could have been much worse which I'm truly thankful for. However any loss of life is too much and hopefully if these people are still at large they can be arrested without the normal you're picking on us attitude from the communities they're hiding in.

Looking at the general reaction across the world, stockmarkets and local reactions these attacks are now beginning to be treated as the norm and are having less and less impact. The thing that worries me about this is that the scum will probably move onto more extreme ways to cause unrest and Max publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if attacks on schools, like Russia becoming more common, or Hospitals that matter. Chemical attacks are also likely.

[KvHagedorn]

And the only thing we can be allowed to do is sit back and take it.. let them kill hundreds more, followed by us being "outraged" and our "hearts going out to the families of the victims" and generally crying like a bunch of helpless little girls because that's all we think we can do.

[The PIT]

And the only thing we can be allowed to do is sit back and take it.. let them kill hundreds more, followed by us being "outraged" and our "hearts going out to the families of the victims" and generally crying like a bunch of helpless little girls because that's all we think we can do.

Thats probably the effect of several decades of being told we're racist, show no respect to other cultures and being made ashamed of our own culture.

One thing I'm not going to do is too result too violence. Why should I sink to their level. Theres a huge Mosque going up near where I live. Personally I feel like driving a tank through it or filling it with pigs from the local farm. I'm not going to do anything although every time I walk past it it's going to remind me how evil the religon can be. I'll also wonder whats been taught in there. I'm also wondering what my old landlord is thinking. A man who found that going to prayer was an upsetting experiance. Something you could see visably when he came home. He warned me years ago and everything he said has become true.

[TransformX]

Apparently, the Koran isn't all that bad. People studying the Koran (words of god) don't get exposed to so much violent ideas as people studying the Sharia... (that's the islamic law that they try to pass as equivalet to the state law in many countries)

[RedRed]

condolences to those who have lost their lives, those injured and especially those left behind.

I think that all those affected deserve our thaughts and prayers at this time - including the emergency staff, and all those who assisted in helping to minimise the casualties and save as many as have been.

The heroic actions of a few helped many more survive.

[The PIT]

Apparently, the Koran isn't all that bad. People studying the Koran (words of god) don't get exposed to so much violent ideas as people studying the Sharia... (that's the islamic law that they try to pass as equivalet to the state law in many countries)

Mostly it's a peaceful book with quite a bit of good in it. But one section goes off at a tangent which seems out of character with the rest of the book. It's this bit that the extremists feed on like maggots on a decaying corpse. Of course they probably like the Sharia.

[ZokesPro]

I heard about it, damn. My heart goes out to all of you guys.

[schmosef]

Mostly it's a peaceful book with quite a bit of good in it. But one section goes off at a tangent which seems out of character with the rest of the book. It's this bit that the extremists feed on like maggots on a decaying corpse. Of course they probably like the Sharia.

hmm.. I don't want to take this thread into a tangent but I'm reading the koran and it's full of invectives against Jews and Christians. And it's even worse for others. Sure, I've read a few short passages that say Muslims should ignore and avoid others (live and let live) but they're quickly contradicted by the many more numerous and elaborate passages using flowery language to smugly describe God's negative opinion of non-muslims and the righteousness of subduing and even killing them.

Unless I just happen to be reading the "one section" that you described then I'd have to say that it would seem that much of the execution of islam is up to interpretation and that muslims who want to live in peace and harmony with others need to take a more active voice in denouncing the jihadists.

I've heard many vague attempts to say that "the koran is against violence" but I've never heard of a scholarly debate, citing actual chapter and verse to condemn the jihadists and to disprove their very elaborate koranic interpretation.

It's because of a lack of a koranic based refutation of jihadism that terrorist leaders are able to walk into mosques all over the world and immediately gain sympathizers and even recruits.

[Liquid Snake]

Damn. Pretty surprising news to hear first thing in the morning yesterday. Hope everything can get back to normal ASAP over there.

[Gurm]

hmm.. I don't want to take this thread into a tangent but I'm reading the koran and it's full of invectives against Jews and Christians. And it's even worse for others. Sure, I've read a few short passages that say Muslims should ignore and avoid others (live and let live) but they're quickly contradicted by the many more numerous and elaborate passages using flowery language to smugly describe God's negative opinion of non-muslims and the righteousness of subduing and even killing them.

Unless I just happen to be reading the "one section" that you described then I'd have to say that it would seem that much of the execution of islam is up to interpretation and that muslims who want to live in peace and harmony with others need to take a more active voice in denouncing the jihadists.

I've heard many vague attempts to say that "the koran is against violence" but I've never heard of a scholarly debate, citing actual chapter and verse to condemn the jihadists and to disprove their very elaborate koranic interpretation.

It's because of a lack of a koranic based refutation of jihadism that terrorist leaders are able to walk into mosques all over the world and immediately gain sympathizers and even recruits.

I agree with this to the extent that I haven't read the ENTIRE Koran. I am perusing it off and on now, and while I've found a SUBSTANTIAL number of "put all infidels to the sword" references, I've found ZERO "love everyone and make peace with other religions" references. None. At all. And I've NEVER seen anyone who says the Koran is "peaceful" or "nonviolent" ever quote any verses to show it.