Dad punches "teacher": Right or Wrong?

[TransformX]

I don't know about you Umf, but I open the newspaper and see:
1. Serial Rapist operating around Rehovot (same area where Maayan Sapir, a 16 year old girl was raped and murdered by a teen-criminal on vacation)
2. A kinder-garden woman beating children and physically abusing them for months before it's finally revealed.
3. A kid that was beat by other students and didn't return to school for many weeks, nobody bothered calling and checking on her.
4. Parents threatening to stop sending their children to school because an abusive child is being
transferred from his class to theirs, instead of expelling the little bastard.
And so on and on and on.

I don't have kids yet, but trust me to be even -more- defensive when I finally have. I've been a kid, I still remember how it was being one.
When I open the newspaper, I read sometimes about lies and conspiracies like this one, but then again, they're so far and inbetween all the real things.

[TransformX]

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=24494
as a matter of fact, yes I do know his name.
not seen a picture.

next?

So, his name is Mr. Mathis and all the newspaper talks about is how innocent he is. Where's the problem? You mean to tell me people will turn a blind eye to that and label him as a rapist?

[Sasq]

So, his name is Mr. Mathis and all the newspaper talks about is how innocent he is. Where's the problem? You mean to tell me people will turn a blind eye to that and label him as a rapist?

Having been in a similar situation, not quite.
But the question will always be there, people remember.
It will always be raised when he applies for a job.
There will be people that refuse to believe the findings of the police and school board, that will believe he did it.

Just as there are people that think the father was justified, at going off the deep end, and pushing an inocent man, because he was too hot headed to think.

Oh, ooops sorry, I shot dead an inocent man, because my 15yo brat was pissy at being disiplined. that ok TX? that perfectly fine? hmmm?
How long before that happens? or happens again? where is the limit TX, is the limit punching an inocent man while he is trying to perform his job, ok, but shooting him too far?

[TransformX]

Well, how about arrresting people for being supid, maybe even remove their right to vote?
What about a person suspected of rape/murder by the police because he was at the wrong place in the wrong time? He's kind of ruined too, even after the catch the real rapist, by the same standards.
Problem is: There are more cases when the alleged person IS in fact a criminal than being falsly accused.
The outcome of this story might make be being the "devil's advocate" but no less right or wrong about the subject as a whole.

[Sasq]

re-read my post, I added.

[Sasq]

Well, how about arrresting people for being supid, maybe even remove their right to vote?
What about a person suspected of rape/murder by the police because he was at the wrong place in the wrong time? He's kind of ruined too, even after the catch the real rapist, by the same standards.
Problem is: There are more cases when the alleged person IS in fact a criminal than being falsly accused.
The outcome of this story might make be being the "devil's advocate" but no less right or wrong about the subject as a whole.

So it's fine for my name to be sullied, because of some young brats jelousy?

[TransformX]

Oh, ooops sorry, I shot dead an inocent man, because my 15yo brat was pissy at being disiplined. that ok TX? that perfectly fine? hmmm?
How long before that happens? or happens again? where is the limit TX, is the limit punching an inocent man while he is trying to perform his job, ok, but shooting him too far?

If I punch him, I'll pay, deal with it, plain and simple.
I'm Israeli, not American, I don't carry a gun and even if I did, I wouldn't use it. Moot point.

[TransformX]

So it's fine for my name to be sullied, because of some young brats jelousy?

Better have your name sullied and cleaned, probably and hopefully get some compensations, than having a REAL rapist on the loose because we're all too damn PC about it.
How about that, ha?

[Sasq]

Better have your name sullied and cleaned, probably and hopefully get some compensations, than having a REAL rapist on the loose because we're all too damn PC about it.
How about that, ha?

How about inocent until proven guilty.

Have you ever been accused of rape TX? How about murder?

I have been accused of both.
Don't you dare make that judgement call on which is better, until you have been on both sides of the fence. Then and only then, will I respect your opinion on this.

[TransformX]

So, like Gurm said, innocent till proven and if he rapes other girls while the matter is investigated they're just "colattoral damages"?

edit: I'd rather risk ruining 1 life, than ruining/losing several lives. That's plain simple arithmetics.

[Umfriend]

TX, yes, terrible things happen (here as well). Deal with that instread of just punching the first guy in sight who *might* have a reason to be punched. Your statistics ("so far and inbetween") I doubt. How often do you think you'd be able to read about a false accusation if the investigation refuted it and there was no violence like this time? Given you are someone who is often keen on pointing out bias in the MSM, I'd have thought you'd realise this basic bias easily.

Anyway, I'm done. Doesn't matter.

Edit: Your artihemtics sucks BTW. Given that you'd have this issue over and over again, you'd be bound to ruin just one life a lot of times and saving more a few times.

[TransformX]

Dan, I think you ignored this part:

What about a person suspected of rape/murder by the police because he was at the wrong place in the wrong time? He's kind of ruined too, even after the catch the real rapist, by the same standards.

[Sasq]

So, like Gurm said, innocent till proven and if he rapes other girls while the matter is investigated they're just "colattoral damages"?

edit: I'd rather risk ruining 1 life, than ruining/losing several lives. That's plain simple arithmetics.

And if that ruined life, happens to be your own?
You would be fine with it?

if you say yes, I will call BS, and you know damn well why.

[TransformX]

Your statistics ("so far and inbetween") I doubt. How often do you think you'd be able to read about a false accusation if the investigation refuted it and there was no violence like this time?

At least here, you hear about the false accusations, they usually create MUCH more noise than the real things, because everybody is fuming at it. False accusations here are angering people not because someone was falsly accused, but because when a real rape happens, the poor girl goes in for a second 'rape' in the interrogation, trying to disprove her making it all up..

[TransformX]

And if that ruined life, happens to be your own?
You would be fine with it?

if you say yes, I will call BS, and you know damn well why.

Well, you'd find my life a bit harder to ruin than with just false allegations. Maybe some people are THAT fragile, maybe they have families that don't support them, well - that's not MY problem.

edit: now please answer my questions about the "colatteral damages" from Gurm's example and about suspects arrested by the police if you will?