Dad punches "teacher": Right or Wrong?

[Sasq]

So I suppose you never drive above speed limits, never park where you shouldn't etc. etc. etc. I guess you're a saint then. Most people here aren't and I don't pretend to be one either.
If we were all saints, we'd have no need for lawyers.


Well, see my edit to my last post, we're all lucky he didn't bring a gun.


Didn't destroy anyone's life (yet) and paid all my debts, including 3 years in the army. We know you're a saint already, but I wonder how are the rest of us.

No Anan, I am not a saint, I am a wife beater.
I have paid for my sins to.
And I have accepted responsability for my actions.
You do not, you have not, when you grow up we will welcome you to the adult world.

[Fat Tone]

No Anan, I am not a saint, I am a wife beater.
I have paid for my sins to.
And I have accepted responsability for my actions.
You do not, you have not, when you grow up we will welcome you to the adult world.

You should be ashamed of yourself Dan. That's terrible. It should read 'I have paid for my sins too.

Please people, enough here, move along.

[TransformX]

And I have accepted responsability for my actions. You do not, you have not

How come? You think I should go there and jail the father? Pay the TA for the father's actions? Post a note in the local journal and say I repent for driving over the speed limit?
Maybe I should start smoking so I could apologize giving cancer to other people?
What are you talking about exactly? What kind of responsibility did I evade exactly and when?

[Sasq]

How come? You think I should go there and jail the father? Pay the TA for the father's actions? Post a note in the local journal and say I repent for driving over the speed limit?
Maybe I should start smoking so I could apologize giving cancer to other people?
What are you talking about exactly? What kind of responsibility did I evade exactly and when?

And your reponse TX, shows exactly why you do not, have not, and will not accept reponsability for your actions. I suspect the rest of us can see it. I sugest you take a time out, and review your replies to this thread, maybe discuss them with your family and wife.
Then take a good hard look at yourself, and see where you need to grow as a person. before you reply to or post any thread along a similar vein.

[TransformX]

Actually, I asked my wife to read some of my posts. I stand by my basic concept/idea:
1. I believe my child before anyone else. If I don't believe my child, I can expect no-one else to do so.
2. If my child was hurt in any way, I'll do whatever is in my power to deal with it, legaly first (and that's usually more than enough to make an ass out of a person when he's wrong).
3. No, I don't trust the system, not that much, the newspaper is full of things that were 'written all over the wall' as they say here, yet those responsible didn't do enough, or anything at all about it and then it was too late.
4. If I'm wrong, or was deceived, I'll assume responsibility, apologise, pay, whatever.

At the age of 30, I can know well enough what's the best way to do things, at least around here.

[Sasq]

Actually, I asked my wife to read some of my posts. I stand by my basic concept/idea:
1. I believe my child before anyone else. If I don't believe my child, I can expect no-one else to do so.
2. If my child was hurt in any way, I'll do whatever is in my power to deal with it, legaly first (and that's usually more than enough to make an ass out of a person when he's wrong).
3. No, I don't trust the system, not that much, the newspaper is full of things that were 'written all over the wall' as they say here, yet those responsible didn't do enough, or anything at all about it and then it was too late.
4. If I'm wrong, or was deceived, I'll assume responsibility, apologise, pay, whatever.

At the age of 30, I can know well enough what's the best way to do things, at least around here.

No TX, the point is to let her read all of your posts, not just the ones you select.

1. great, good, again read above about having children and thinking about it.
2. your changing your story, or shall I quote you regarding you doing the same thing 'dear old dad' did, now you say you would take the legal path first. stop backtracking.
3. well, if you don't trust the system, change the system, but wern't you telling us a little while ago, that the false reports make more news then the real ones do, and this would have been resolved in your corner of the world?
4. I still see no evidence of this.

[Tjalfe]

so how would punching the guy help anything?
if he *really* wanted to make sure he got his vigilanti justice, he should have shot him, no?
Punching the guy was just plain stupid, which you will not admit to

[Jessterw]

Well, see my edit to my last post, we're all lucky he didn't bring a gun.

That's laughable.

As far as Dan goes, and you can say I'm biased, he's far from a saint, and I say that as a friend and co-worker. I've seen him go through hell the past few years and at every step of the way he has been more than ready to admit his mistakes. If I didn't know him like I do now, I might hold those things against him*, but I've seen him try to make up for them damn near every day and then some. Don't take that as seeking redemption, because it's well and truly not.

I'm done. Just felt it needed to be said, coming from someone other than he.


*In reference to the wife-beater comment he made: I watched my mom suffer mental and physical abuse from my then step-father for a decade and a half, so that whole area is rather touchy for me.

[TransformX]

No TX, the point is to let her read all of your posts, not just the ones you select.

1. great, good, again read above about having children and thinking about it.
2. your changing your story, or shall I quote you regarding you doing the same thing 'dear old dad' did, now you say you would take the legal path first. stop backtracking.
3. well, if you don't trust the system, change the system, but wern't you telling us a little while ago, that the false reports make more news then the real ones do, and this would have been resolved in your corner of the world?
4. I still see no evidence of this.

I said that if I came to a heated argument with the possible offender, I might have punched him too.

By the way, I suggest you read Dr.M first post on this thread. Maybe you consider him a kid that can't assume responsibility too..?

[Sasq]

I said that if I came to a heated argument with the possible offender, I might have punched him too.

By the way, I suggest you read Dr.M first post on this thread. Maybe you consider him a kid that can't assume responsibility too..?

Terry when wrong, will admit to it.

As for the rest, I still see no evidence of point 4.

[TransformX]

That's laughable.

As far as Dan goes, and you can say I'm biased, he's far from a saint, and I say that as a friend and co-worker. I've seen him go through hell the past few years and at every step of the way he has been more than ready to admit his mistakes. If I didn't know him like I do now, I might hold those things against him*, but I've seen him try to make up for them damn near every day.

I'm done. Just felt it needed to be said, coming from someone other than he.

Well, just as I don't know his life, he doesn't know mine, not the mistakes nor my successes. So he can't really judge me for having a different mentality.

*In reference to the wife-beater comment he made: I watched my mom suffer mental and physical abuse from my then step-father for a decade and a half, so that whole area is rather touchy for me.

I didn't go in there because it's none of my business and unrelated to this particular case.

[TransformX]

As for the rest, I still see no evidence of point 4.

Well, you don't live here, you don't know me. Might want to have a chat with my wife and/or close friends and ask them?

[Brian Ellis]

I have a wallet, I pay my parking/speeding fines. I call that accepting responsibility, don't you?

I'm damned if I do. The responsible action is respecting the law promulgated by your democratically elected representatives. Not to do so is anarchic and effectively telling your parliament that you are above the law, because you happen to be rich enough to pay without it hurting you. In other words, one law for the rich and one for the poor or that, because the law is too restrictive in your lights, you choose to voluntarily and deliberately flout it. This is not the act of a responsible person

Just in case you think that I'm adopting a 'holier than thou' attitude, let me catalogue the fact that, although I try to respect the law as much as possible, I have sinned a few times in 50 years of driving:
1) Edinburgh 2 am on a motorbike 1957: speeding 58 mph in a 30 mph area
2) Lausanne ~1975, overstayed welcome in blue zone by 10 minutes
3) Martigny ~1985, 71 km/h in a 60 km/h area (radar hidden 50 m inside speed limit)
4) Lausanne ~1986, went through red light 0.03 seconds after it turned red (camera)
5) Larnaca ~1999, parked within 10 m of a corner
So, yes, I was punished roughly once per decade for having irresponsibly broken the law. I do not consider that having paid the fine on each of these occasions was an act of responsibility, it was an act of necessity to avoid a heavier punishment.

[TransformX]

@ Brian:
Well, since we're honest about things all the way, then I'm not rich and some of those fines hurted very much, but I still paid them and been more careful ever since.
Then again, I don't smoke, which most people do, even in places where smoking is forbidden. When asked how I drive compared with the average driver, my answer is: "I'm the average driver". Same for a law abiding citizen.

edit: By the way, same for religion, I believe in god and is considered an orthodox Jew, yet I do lots of things I shouldn't because I'm not religious. How can I believe in god and still do all those wrongs? I can, thus I do. Call me a hipocrite for choosing to do the things I like and neglecting some of those I don't.

[Jessterw]

Well, just as I don't know his life, he doesn't know mine, not the mistakes nor my successes. So he can't really judge me for having a different mentality.

I didn't go in there because it's none of my business and unrelated to this particular case.

You called him on being a saint, just providing some reference to the effect that he doesn't think he's holier than thou. Opinionated, yes, but certainly not the former.

Mind you, I'm not taking sides here, I'd have punched the guy too, just in the parking lot after school. The fact is though, is that all the arguments taking place have had nada to do with the facts of the case. Too little information being used to forumulate judgement calls. Yes, I'm just as guilty on that. The problem comes in when the facts we do have start twisting into something else: innappropriate sexual conduct becomes rape, etc. And sorry, but the analogies being made throughout just don't pertain (that's a multi-person finger pointing).