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    Given the new parents in the group I thought a post about Tylenol is in order. While normally safe Tylenol (aka: acetaminophen) can cause liver damage if not used properly, especially in children. This problem was well stated in this statement by Caroline Riely, MD on behalf of The American Liver Foundation before the FDA;



    Acetaminophen, normally a very safe drug, is a hepatotoxin when dosed incorrectly under certain conditions. The therapeutic window for this agent is narrow – the usual adult dose is 1gram (2 pills) PO q 4 hours, but a single dose of 20 grams (40 pills) can cause lethal hepatotoxicity. While many believe 4 grams (8 pills) is a safe level, even for those who regularly use alcohol, some suggested that this group might find it more prudent to look at a maximum dose of 2 grams in consultation with their physician.

    Acetaminophen is a constituent of many combination medications, both over the counter and prescribed. So a patient may take two forms of acetaminophen without being aware of that fact – for example, a patient may use Tylenol PM and Percocet, and may inadvertently exceed the safe dose.

    This is particularly a problem in the pediatric population. Well-meaning parents administering multiple doses can reach a toxic dose, inadvertently resulting in liver injury. In this age group the problem is magnified by the multiple formulations available. The parent may not be aware that the preparation advised for infants, a concentrated form given in drops, is much more potent than the syrup administered by the teaspoon in older children. Using the infant formula, but given by the spoonful, for toddlers may inadvertently result in injury to the liver.


    We are concerned that present marketing practices make it very difficult to find the standard dose formulation, the 325 mg pills, on the shelf in the drug store or discount store. As a result, the consumer thinks that the “extra strength” preparation is the only one available. Given the narrow therapeutic window, this failure to market the lower dose may contribute to increased adverse events.
    Be careful people....especially when it comes to securing acetaminophen formulations so the kiddies can't use it on their own. We locked them in a strongbox. Overkill perhaps, but we slept a lot better.
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 6 July 2006, 07:35.
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    I'm going to try and endure the pain instead of taking acetominophen from now on, if I can.
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    • #3
      For control of fever Motrin (ibuprofin) works much better than Tylenol anyway.
      The only problem with ibuprofin is that the recommended dosage schedule does not allow 24hr coverage.
      You are not supposed to give it more than 4 times per day ie every six hours. But in a high fever situation it's effects only seem to last about 4 hours.
      You can mitigate this by administering ibuprofin every 6 hours as directed, but with a lite dose of acetaminophen 3 hours after each dose of ibuprofin.

      We learned this from experience and as advice from pediatric nurses.

      Try ibuprofen first, it has been remarcably effective (reduce fever by 4 degrees F on average) and add the acetaminophen alternat only if needed.
      Chuck
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      • #4
        Ibruprofen is great for bad backs as well (actively relaxes muscles as well as dulling the pain). Just don't take it on an empty stomach. Oh, and as Chuck mentioned you can combine it with certain other painkillers if it doesn't do the trick on its own.
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        • #5
          I have to admit that I am an old fashioned aspirin only type guy.
          Aspirin is a no no, for kids though.
          Chuck
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          • #6
            This is why my wife and I always check the active ingredients of all our kids medicines before administering them, just to make sure we don't double dose.
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            • #7
              If I have pain bad enough to take pills for it, I'll get vicodin.

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              • #8
                Vicodin has a big slug of Tylenol as part of its formulation.

                Dr. Mordrid
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                • #9
                  darn.. oh well.. at least I'll get high then..

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                  • #10
                    Underrated.

                    Back when I was dealing with that evil hand infection they had me taking 750mg of Vicodin every 4 hrs & 2 hrs after each of those was 100mg of Demerol for ~4 months. Great for making you drool all over everything while staring intently at spots on the wall, but not very enjoyable IMO

                    Then there is withdrawl....that took a month.

                    Dr. Mordrid
                    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 6 July 2006, 22:45.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cjolley
                      Aspirin is a no no, for kids though.
                      Oh? WHy is that? We're talking paracetamol here, right?
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                      • #12
                        If our kids have 'growing pains' we use either a paracetamol or ibuprofen suspension. If they get severe fevers we alternate the two every 2-3 hours, but never exceed the maximum doses. In fact, wifey likes to short-dose if she can.

                        The major brand of paracetamol suspension here is 'Calpol', much loved by parents of young children
                        FT.

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                        • #13
                          Asprin != paracetamol.
                          FT.

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                          • #14
                            Aspirin = acetylsalycylic acid (ASA), which can increase the risk of Reyes Syndrome in kids (along with other salicylates) after a viral infection, even though it's a wonder drug for adults.



                            Paracetamol = acetaminophen = Tylenol....something IMO you should be very careful with esp. when giving it to kids.
                            Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 7 July 2006, 01:10.
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                            • #15
                              I just checked the dosage in Calpol:

                              5ml contains 120mg Paracetamol.

                              Ages 3-12 months - 1/2 to 1 5ml spoonful
                              1 - 6 years - 1 to 2 5ml spoonful.

                              Smaller amounts can now be given to younger children (<3m) in certain circumstances. Not ours though as they were both ~5week prem. I don't think that was an option back then anyway.
                              FT.

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