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    U.S. Needs Hit Squads, ‘Manhunting Agency’: Spec Ops Report

    CIA director Leon Panetta got into hot water with Congress, after he revealed an agency program to hunt down and kill terrorists. A recent report from the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations University argues that the CIA didn’t go far enough ( .pdf ). Instead, it suggests the American government should set up something like a “National Manhunting Agency” to go after jihadists, drug dealers, pirates and other enemies of the state.

    America’s military, intelligence and law-enforcement agencies already devote thousands of people and billions of dollars to tracking down top terrorists and insurgents. But even the most successful of these efforts — like going after Iraqi militant leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — have been “ad hoc” efforts, with units cobbled together from different corners of the government. Report author and retired Lt. Col. George Crawford instead would like to see a permanent group with clear authority, training, doctrine and technology to go after these dangerous individuals. These “manhunting teams would be standing formations, trained to pursue their designated quarry relentlessly for as long as required to accomplish the mission,” he writes.
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    Then we could be just like the USSR.
    And they won!
    Chuck
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    • #3
      Not unlike what Mossad does. Or at least they used to.

      Kevin

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      • #4
        So basically they need something like what the CIA is like in the movies.
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        • #5
          How low can supporters of such a policy get? They had better hope it doesn't backfire on them.
          Brian (the devil incarnate)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
            How low can supporters of such a policy get?
            And there I thought enemies = war. I suppose that if you went to war at 1941 and had some top Nazi figure on your sights, you'd hold your fire and hope some troops could march into Berlin and arrest them?

            jihadists, drug dealers, pirates
            What if one of your family members was a victim of theirs? Would you still opt for wasting x10 time and resources to bring them to a super long and expensive trial, or obliterate them on the spot, saving time, resources and lives that would perish between now and the moment they can be apprehended?
            What about the lives lost during such arrests? Are the 'rights' of such human scum worth more than the lives of the operatives who risk themselves catching them?

            Seriously Brian, do you ever stop to think before you write all this holier than thou nonsense?
            "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."

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            • #7
              This would just change what is now an ad hoc operation across services into one with a consistant, formal structure and training (the really important part) within the Special Forces Command.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by TransformX View Post
                And there I thought enemies = war. I suppose that if you went to war at 1941 and had some top Nazi figure on your sights, you'd hold your fire and hope some troops could march into Berlin and arrest them?

                What if one of your family members was a victim of theirs? Would you still opt for wasting x10 time and resources to bring them to a super long and expensive trial, or obliterate them on the spot, saving time, resources and lives that would perish between now and the moment they can be apprehended?
                What about the lives lost during such arrests? Are the 'rights' of such human scum worth more than the lives of the operatives who risk themselves catching them?

                Seriously Brian, do you ever stop to think before you write all this holier than thou nonsense?

                The rights for Humans are Universal. The biggest problem in this entire world is people who classify others. We are Humans, and anyone who thinks differently is mentally inferior, and should return to their cave.
                Gitmo was a sad shame for the USA...

                You are seriously FOR an agency that would basically be Dog the Bounty hunter, with guns, and hidden from sight. Oh, and as long as they get results, lets turn a blind eye...

                Do YOU ever stop and re-read the crap you put down to paper sometimes ?
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                • #9
                  If you had ever met, or been related to as I am, Special Ops soldiers you'd not make the silly comparison to Dog. Serious folks they are. Smart, trained to the max and well versed in the politics....much better than any of us are.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TransformX View Post
                    And there I thought enemies = war. I suppose that if you went to war at 1941 and had some top Nazi figure on your sights, you'd hold your fire and hope some troops could march into Berlin and arrest them?

                    What if one of your family members was a victim of theirs? Would you still opt for wasting x10 time and resources to bring them to a super long and expensive trial, or obliterate them on the spot, saving time, resources and lives that would perish between now and the moment they can be apprehended?
                    What about the lives lost during such arrests? Are the 'rights' of such human scum worth more than the lives of the operatives who risk themselves catching them?

                    Seriously Brian, do you ever stop to think before you write all this holier than thou nonsense?
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

                    Nuff said!

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                    • #11
                      Excuse me while I yawn.
                      If you went to war at 1941 and had some top Nazi figure on your sights, you'd hold your fire and hope some troops could march into Berlin and arrest them?
                      If you had the option of eliminating a top drug cartel figure, would you go for unnecessary deaths of both operatives (on your side) and henchmen (on his side) dying in a firefight to arrest a person your sniper could take down alone?
                      If you could stop the 9/11 terrorists by bombing their car as it drove to the airport, risking the lives of people near them on the highway but saving the lives of a commercial passenger airplane AND the people in one of the twin towers, would you refuse to?

                      Quite a few people died in Israel a few years ago in failed assassination attempts on a known criminal figure, while the authorities were still struggling to find incriminating evidence against him. EVERYONE knew he's a criminal. People were dying around him all the time. "Morals" and law prohibited anyone from touching him while innocents kept dying. Whoop dee doo!

                      You claim 'moral' and 'lawful' justice needs to be done even at the expense of lives, and you see yourself as moral and fine.
                      I claim people need to be protected from criminals and enemies, even at the expense of the lives or said criminals and the occasional mistake. My way kills less innocents, yet you call me a barbarian raging beast. Care to explain how exactly your way is better than mine when the death toll doing things your way is higher by far?
                      Last edited by TransformX; 4 November 2009, 02:13.
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                      • #12
                        Death Toll has nothing to do with it.

                        If you had killed the people supposedly on their way to the 9/11 attacks, and killed the wrong people ? What then ?

                        Do you know why the UK gave up the death penalty ?
                        Because the last person they hanged was found to be not guilty years after his death.

                        You can NEVER justify what are basically DEATH SQUADS who respond to no-one, except maybe politicians, and or generals, all of which have made lots and lots and lots of CASH disappear in the "Iraq War"

                        I wouldn't trust ANYONE to run a squad like this.

                        The Special Ops soldiers are special because they do what they are told, without questioning. Sometimes that is wrong, but not for what they do.

                        Just don't think that killing people is justified because it COULD save millions, thats Bullshit.
                        If you have a crystal ball, then use that to catch people before they kill others.

                        Hell, do it, and see how many more people you can piss off and turn into haters of your way of living.

                        edit : Don't take it personally Transformx, I just don't beleive in killing people without proof, and the proof is in the killing unfortunately..
                        Last edited by Evildead666; 4 November 2009, 11:26.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KRSESQ View Post
                          Not unlike what Mossad does. Or at least they used to.

                          Kevin

                          There is no Mossad. Those bullet were naturally formed metal deposits spit out of the Earth by high pressure gas ejection. You didn't see a thing.
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                          • #14
                            Mega LOL
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                            • #15
                              I thought "due process" was a fundamental thing in western societies, unlike certain other nations. does not appear to be that fundamental now...

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