Michigan: silencers, suppressors and machine guns OK

[Umfriend]

True for a battle field. Less so with insurgency tactics.

[cjolley]

True for a battle field. Less so with insurgency tactics.

They would have the support of about 15% of the population. If that.
No way.

[Dr Mordrid]

Allowing hunting with silencers is crazy, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Suppressors for use with varmint and other hunting rifles are somewhat common in Europe, and in some counties required to reduce noise pollution and protect the hearing of shooters and others, so why not here?

I can see using them when culling feral hogs etc. which now have a shoot-on-sight status in Michigan so you might have to kill a whole group. Often these are rather close to populated areas. This use for nuisance critters has been specifically passed and signed in Louisiana and is in the legislative process elsewhere.

Link....

Also; Michigan is just catching up. Silencers are already legal in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina , South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

And I'm not sure I understand the point of those old quotes.

The world has left that reality behind. The army of the federal government would mow down a rebel army like blades of grass no matter what the rebels were armed with.
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Your assumption that all forces would act monolithically in the face of a rogue government flies in the face of recent world history.

[Evildead666]

source :http://skiptucker.blogspot.com/2010/...hey-meant.html

[Evildead666]

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Your assumption that all forces would act monolithically in the face of a rogue government flies in the face of recent world history.

Most of the German Officers and Soldiers during the Holocaust were 'just following orders'.

Who's to say the U.S.A. is any different ?

[cjolley]

Suppressors for use with varmint and other hunting rifles are somewhat common in Europe

Actual examples?

Your assumption that all forces would act monolithically in the face of a rogue government flies in the face of recent world history.

FDS: Firearm derangement syndrome.
Of course they would. "Rogue" elected government? Does that even mean anything?
Or are you suborning treason against the US?

PS It's time to stop the dog whistles and speak the truth.

[Umfriend]

No way what? Being succesfull? Who cares?

[jms]

Suppressors for use with varmint and other hunting rifles are somewhat common in Europe, and in some counties required to reduce noise pollution and protect the hearing of shooters and others, so why not here?

True, very common here.

[Dr Mordrid]

Actual examples?

Discuss it with jms as he probably knows the details better than I do, but several European friends of mine were quite surprised to discover the status of silencers/suppressors here.

"Rogue" elected government? Does that even mean anything?

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See Adolph Hitler - elected in a democratic process and we know what happened after that. Are you so politically naive to assume that isn't possible here? Try looking up the security and Continuity of Government functions of FEMA and the related standing Executive Orders. Now imagine if the wrong person(s) got hold of that apparatus. No, FEMA isn't just disaster relief. That's just part of their functions as part of the Department of Homeland Security.

Or are you suborning treason against the US?

Right out of Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals**, the current Democrat playbook: if you can't win on the facts demean & ridicule your opponent. Grow up.

PS It's time to stop the dog whistles and speak the truth.

Just did.

**1971 Random House, ISBN 0-394-44341-1

[Brian Ellis]

Crazy, crazy, crazy!

In any case, a silencer becomes about 10-15% less effective with each shot, so it's an expensive hobby to keep up.

AFAIK, no European state would allow carrying a sidearm with silencer and most do not allow carrying a sidearm at all, concealed or open (police excepted in some cases, but not all). In this EU country - and it is not alone - even possession of a sidearm is illegal and no licences are issued for civilian exceptions. The only firearms permitted here with licences are air rifles (no pistols) up to 0.177 calibre and single- or double-barrelled 12 bore shotguns.

[Dr Mordrid]

Crazy, crazy, crazy!

In any case, a silencer becomes about 10-15% less effective with each shot, so it's an expensive hobby to keep up.

In the old-old days when silencers used mineral fiber packs or fine steel wool packs to muffle the sound, perhaps but these were often replaceable. Modern silencers are made using internal metal baffles, similar to a car muffler, and last thousands of rounds. Any clogging of the vent holes are taken care of simply by disassembling and cleaning with standard gun cleaning solvents.

AFAIK, no European state would allow carrying a sidearm with silencer and most do not allow carrying a sidearm at all.....The only firearms permitted here with licences are air rifles (no pistols) up to 0.177 calibre and single- or double-barrelled 12 bore shotguns.

Wasn't talking European sidearms but varmint and hunting rifles, but there are silencers for shotguns too so.....

Also; even air/CO2 rifles are required to have silencers in some countries.

[Evildead666]

Nearly everyone here goes hunting with loud shotguns.
Helps those walking in the woods, and other areas, to know there are people shooting in proximity.
All firearms require permits.

Silencers are fully illegal (for civilians) afaik.

On the other hand, air pistols (maybe rifles) can be bought over the net by credit card, including silencers.

Also, Norway isn't part of Europe apparently (didn't know that).

http://www.touteleurope.eu/fr/organisation/etats-membres/les-etats-membres-en-quelques-mots/presentation/liste-des-etats-membres-de-l-ue.html

[Evildead666]

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Right out of Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals**, the current Democrat playbook: if you can't win on the facts demean & ridicule your opponent. Grow up.
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"Grow up".
If that isn't demeaning and ridiculing your opponent then I don't know what is.

He had a valid point, which wasn't demeaning or ridiculing.

[Dr Mordrid]

He asked if I was "suborning treason," which he knew would be taken as either insulting or ridicule and both of which are playground tactics worthy of a 10 year old. In the absence of substantive argument "grow up" was appropriate.

[Evildead666]

I took it to ask if the US Gov't one day instituted Marshall Law ( or Military rule) due to popular strikes/manifestations/riots (majority of population vs Gov't) would you agree with armed counter offensive (Gov't shoots first either by accident or orders) ?

I don't think the US would do it, since there are soooo many firearms in citizens hands, be it legally or otherwise.
Then again, the Military and Police do have access to weapons of mass carnage and crowd repression, and would be able to effectively mow down any insurgency.