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  • The Flaying of a GW Denialist.

    So a U of Chicago economist and ajournalist get together to write a book called "Superfreakanomics"
    It has a chapter on gobal warming that is so full of BS it hurts.
    Lots of great takedown on the web about it, but this has to be the best.
    From a U of Chicago colleague no less. World class pwnage here.

    Dear Mr. Levitt, The problem of global warming is so big that solving it will require creative thinking from many disciplines. Economists have much to contribute to this effort, particularly with regard to the question of how various means of putting a price on carbon emissions may alter human behavior. Some of the lines of thinking in your first book, Freakonomics, could well have had a bearing on this issue, if brought to bear on ...


    ...
    I am addressing this to you rather than your journalist-coauthor because one has become all too accustomed to tendentious screeds from media personalities (think Glenn Beck) with a reckless disregard for the truth. However, if it has come to pass that we can’t expect the William B. Ogden Distinguished Service Professor (and Clark Medalist to boot) at a top-rated department of a respected university to think clearly and honestly with numbers, we are indeed in a sad way.

    By now there have been many detailed dissections of everything that is wrong with the treatment of climate in Superfreakonomics , but what has been lost amidst all that extensive discussion is how really simple it would have been to get this stuff right. The problem wasn’t necessarily that you talked to the wrong experts or talked to too few of them. The problem was that you failed to do the most elementary thinking needed to see if what they were saying (or what you thought they were saying) in fact made any sense. If you were stupid, it wouldn’t be so bad to have messed up such elementary reasoning, but I don’t by any means think you are stupid. That makes the failure to do the thinking all the more disappointing. I will take Nathan Myhrvold’s claim about solar cells, which you quoted prominently in your book, as an example.

    As quoted by you, Mr. Myhrvold claimed, in effect, that it was pointless to try to solve global warming by building solar cells, because they are black and absorb all the solar energy that hits them, but convert only some 12% to electricity while radiating the rest as heat, warming the planet. Now, maybe you were dazzled by Mr Myhrvold’s brilliance, but don’t we try to teach our students to think for themselves? Let’s go through the arithmetic step by step and see how it comes out. It’s not hard. Let’s do the thought experiment of building a solar array to generate the entire world’s present electricity consumption, and see what the extra absorption of sunlight by the array does to climate. First we need to find the electricity consumption. Just do a Google search on “World electricity consumption” and here you are:

    Now, that’s the total electric energy consumed during the year, and you can turn that into the rate of energy consumption (measured in Watts, just like the world was one big light bulb) by dividing kilowatt hours by the number of hours in a year, and multiplying by 1000 to convert kilowatts into watts. The answer is two trillion Watts, in round numbers. How much area of solar cells do you need to generate this? On average, about 200 Watts falls on each square meter of Earth’s surface, but you might preferentially put your cells in sunnier, clearer places, so let’s call it 250 Watts per square meter. With a 15% efficiency, which is middling for present technology the area you need is
    2 trillion Watts/(.15 X 250. Watts per square meter)
    or 53,333 square kilometers. That’s a square 231 kilometers on a side, or about the size of a single cell of a typical general circulation model grid box. If we put it on the globe, it looks like this:

    So already you should be beginning to suspect that this is a pretty trivial part of the Earth’s surface, and maybe unlikely to have much of an effect on the overall absorbed sunlight. In fact, it’s only 0.01% of the Earth’s surface. The numbers I used to do this calculation can all be found in Wikipedia, or even in a good paperbound World Almanac.
    But we should go further,...
    and he does

    ending with a Google map of how to get to his office to ask questions:
    May I suggest that if you should happen to need some friendly help next time you take on the topic of climate change, or would like to have a chat about why aerosol geoengineering might not be a cure-all, or just need a critical but informed opponent to bounce ideas off of, you don’t have to go very far. For example…

    But given the way Superfreakonomics mangled Ken Caldeira’s rather nuanced views on geoengineering, let’s keep it off the record, eh?
    Your colleague,
    Raymond T. Pierrehumbert
    Louis Block Professor in the Geophysical Sciences
    The University of Chicago
    Last edited by cjolley; 10 November 2009, 11:29.
    Chuck
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  • #2
    There is an easier way of showing that solar PV cells would make little difference:
    the author claims that only 15% of the energy is converted to electricity and the rest is radiated as heat. A broad-leafed forest (e.g., Amazon, SE Asia) absorbs 15% of the incident energy for photosynthesis etc. and reradiates the rest as heat. This is not to be confused with albedo, which is the reflectivity at the same wavelength. The re-radiation of the PV, as with the forest, is at a much longer wavelength.

    This kind of disinformation (which may start as misinformation) is common in scientific matters as the public absorbs them. We saw the same with ozone depletion: before 1987, the naysayers were in a great majority, which is why the Montreal Protocol was met with almost derision. By 1990, they were down to by about half as the scientists were able to show that measurements and modelling gave similar results. By 1996, when the Protocol started to show its teeth, the naysayers were in a slim minority and, today, they are only a recalcitrant few. With climate change, we are currently in the phase where a little more than half the public and the majority of scientists (nearly all climatologists) are convinced that fossil fuels are the major cause. It will not be long before it is generally accepted.
    Brian (the devil incarnate)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
      It will not be long before it is generally accepted.
      Trend line is going in the wrong direction for that in the US, and it's across demographic groups and regions. Also note that among educational groups 'belief' only spans a 2 point spread and the trend line is likewise spiraling downwards. Political centrists and center-left/right groups are doing likewise, though the lefts rate of decline is lower but still significant.

      Pew Research




      And this NOAA report documents a small part of what is driving this in the short term. For a decade most of the country has been experiencing the same.
      National Overview:

      * Temperature Highlights - October

      * The average October temperature of 50.8°F was 4.0°F below the 20th Century average and ranked as the 3rd coolest based on preliminary data.

      * For the nation as a whole, it was the third coolest October on record. The month was marked by an active weather pattern that reinforced unseasonably cold air behind a series of cold fronts. Temperatures were below normal in eight of the nation's nine climate regions, and of the nine, five were much below normal. Only the Southeast climate region had near normal temperatures for October.

      * Statewide temperatures coincided with the regional values as all but six states had below normal temperatures. Oklahoma had its coolest October on record and ten other states had their top five coolest such months.

      * Florida was the only state to have an above normal temperature average in October. It was the sixth consecutive month that the Florida's temperature was above normal, resulting in the third warmest such period (May-October).

      * The three-month period (August-October) was the coolest on record for three states: Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma. Five other states had top five cool periods: Missouri (2nd), Iowa (3rd) , Arkansas (5th) , Illinois (5th) and South Dakota (5th) . Every climate division in Kansas (nine) and Nebraska (eight) recorded a record cool such period.

      * For the year-to-date (January - October) period, the contiguous U.S. temperature ranked 43rd warmest. No state had a top or bottom ten temperature value for this period.
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 11 November 2009, 02:27.
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      • #4
        Strangely enough, Doc, the USA is not global, neither for its weather, nor for its opinions. Go to Copenhagen next month.
        Brian (the devil incarnate)

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        • #5
          What do you mean ? Isn't this Planet U.S.A.....?
          I thought the whole world revolved around Washington...?

          edit : @CJolly, he got pwned for sure LOL, and the map is just the icing...
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          • #6
            It doesn't matter. The supposed cooling trend is a figment of the imagination of the denialists.
            (Watch for the reference to "Freakonomics" again)

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            AP IMPACT: Statisticians reject global cooling

            By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer Mon Oct 26, 5:12 pm ET

            WASHINGTON – Have you heard that the world is now cooling instead of warming? You may have seen some news reports on the Internet or heard about it from a provocative new book. Only one problem: It's not true, according to an analysis of the numbers done by several independent statisticians for The Associated Press.
            The case that the Earth might be cooling partly stems from recent weather. Last year was cooler than previous years. It's been a while since the super-hot years of 1998 and 2005. So is this a longer climate trend or just weather's normal ups and downs?
            In a blind test, the AP gave temperature data to four independent statisticians and asked them to look for trends, without telling them what the numbers represented. The experts found no true temperature declines over time.
            "If you look at the data and sort of cherry-pick a micro-trend within a bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect," said John Grego, a professor of statistics at the University of South Carolina.
            Yet the idea that things are cooling has been repeated in opinion columns, a BBC news story posted on the Drudge Report and in a new book by the authors of the best-seller "Freakonomics." Last week, a poll by the Pew Research Center found that only 57 percent of Americans now believe there is strong scientific evidence for global warming, down from 77 percent in 2006.
            Global warming skeptics base their claims on an unusually hot year in 1998. Since then, they say, temperatures have dropped — thus, a cooling trend. But it's not that simple.
            Since 1998, temperatures have dipped, soared, fallen again and are now rising once more. Records kept by the British meteorological office and satellite data used by climate skeptics still show 1998 as the hottest year. However, data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA show 2005 has topped 1998. Published peer-reviewed scientific research generally cites temperatures measured by ground sensors, which are from NOAA, NASA and the British, more than the satellite data.
            The recent Internet chatter about cooling led NOAA's climate data center to re-examine its temperature data. It found no cooling trend.
            "The last 10 years are the warmest 10-year period of the modern record," said NOAA climate monitoring chief Deke Arndt. "Even if you analyze the trend during that 10 years, the trend is actually positive, which means warming."
            The AP sent expert statisticians NOAA's year-to-year ground temperature changes over 130 years and the 30 years of satellite-measured temperatures preferred by skeptics and gathered by scientists at the University of Alabama in Huntsville.
            Statisticians who analyzed the data found a distinct decades-long upward trend in the numbers, but could not find a significant drop in the past 10 years in either data set. The ups and downs during the last decade repeat random variability in data as far back as 1880.
            Saying there's a downward trend since 1998 is not scientifically legitimate, said David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor and one of those analyzing the numbers.
            Identifying a downward trend is a case of "people coming at the data with preconceived notions," said Peterson, author of the book "Why Did They Do That? An Introduction to Forensic Decision Analysis."
            One prominent skeptic said that to find the cooling trend, the 30 years of satellite temperatures must be used. The satellite data tends to be cooler than the ground data. And key is making sure 1998 is part of the trend, he added.
            It's what happens within the past 10 years or so, not the overall average, that counts, contends Don Easterbrook, a Western Washington University geology professor and global warming skeptic.
            "I don't argue with you that the 10-year average for the past 10 years is higher than the previous 10 years," said Easterbrook, who has self-published some of his research. "We started the cooling trend after 1998. You're going to get a different line depending on which year you choose.
            "Should not the actual temperature be higher now than it was in 1998?" Easterbrook asked. "We can play the numbers games."
            That's the problem, some of the statisticians said.
            Grego produced three charts to show how choosing a starting date can alter perceptions. Using the skeptics' satellite data beginning in 1998, there is a "mild downward trend," he said. But doing that is "deceptive."
            The trend disappears if the analysis starts in 1997. And it trends upward if you begin in 1999, he said.
            Apart from the conflicting data analyses is the eyebrow-raising new book title from Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, "Super Freakonomics: Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance."
            A line in the book says: "Then there's this little-discussed fact about global warming: While the drumbeat of doom has grown louder over the past several years, the average global temperature during that time has in fact decreased."
            That led to a sharp rebuke from the Union of Concerned Scientists, which said the book mischaracterizes climate science with "distorted statistics."
            Levitt, a University of Chicago economist, said he does not believe there is a cooling trend. He said the line was just an attempt to note the irony of a cool couple of years at a time of intense discussion of global warming. Levitt said he did not do any statistical analysis of temperatures, but "eyeballed" the numbers and noticed 2005 was hotter than the last couple of years. Levitt said the "cooling" reference in the book title refers more to ideas about trying to cool the Earth artificially.
            Statisticians say that in sizing up climate change, it's important to look at moving averages of about 10 years. They compare the average of 1999-2008 to the average of 2000-2009. In all data sets, 10-year moving averages have been higher in the last five years than in any previous years.
            "To talk about global cooling at the end of the hottest decade the planet has experienced in many thousands of years is ridiculous," said Ken Caldeira, a climate scientist at the Carnegie Institution at Stanford.

            Ben Santer, a climate scientist at the Department of Energy's Lawrence Livermore National Lab, called it "a concerted strategy to obfuscate and generate confusion in the minds of the public and policymakers" ahead of international climate talks in December in Copenhagen.
            President Barack Obama weighed in on the topic Friday at MIT. He said some opponents "make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change — claims whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary."
            Earlier this year, climate scientists in two peer-reviewed publications statistically analyzed recent years' temperatures against claims of cooling and found them not valid.
            Not all skeptical scientists make the flat-out cooling argument.
            "It pretty much depends on when you start," wrote John Christy, the Alabama atmospheric scientist who collects the satellite data that skeptics use. He said in an e-mail that looking back 31 years, temperatures have gone up nearly three-quarters of a degree Fahrenheit (four-tenths of a degree Celsius). The last dozen years have been flat, and temperatures over the last eight years have declined a bit, he wrote.
            Oceans, which take longer to heat up and longer to cool, greatly influence short-term weather, causing temperatures to rise and fall temporarily on top of the overall steady warming trend, scientists say. The biggest example of that is El Nino.
            El Nino, a temporary warming of part of the Pacific Ocean, usually spikes global temperatures, scientists say. The two recent warm years, both 1998 and 2005, were El Nino years. The flip side of El Nino is La Nina, which lowers temperatures. A La Nina bloomed last year and temperatures slipped a bit, but 2008 was still the ninth hottest in 130 years of NOAA records.
            Of the 10 hottest years recorded by NOAA, eight have occurred since 2000, and after this year it will be nine because this year is on track to be the sixth-warmest on record.
            The current El Nino is forecast to get stronger, probably pushing global temperatures even higher next year, scientists say. NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt predicts 2010 may break a record, so a cooling trend "will be never talked about again."

            Last edited by cjolley; 11 November 2009, 05:56.
            Chuck
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
              Strangely enough, Doc, the USA is not global, neither for its weather, nor for its opinions. Go to Copenhagen next month.
              Didn't say it was, just an opinion as to why opinion here is moving the way it is.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
                Didn't say it was, just an opinion as to why opinion here is moving the way it is.
                Who was it that said "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time?"
                Chuck
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                • #9
                  You also can't bulls*** a bulls***er, and Americans are huge bulls***ers.
                  Dr. Mordrid
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
                    You also can't bulls*** a bulls***er, and Americans are huge bulls***ers.
                    I rest my case. Brian is right. The trend will be the decline of denialism.
                    Chuck
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                    • #11
                      I deny that denialism will decline!
                      “Inside every sane person there’s a madman struggling to get out”
                      –The Light Fantastic, Terry Pratchett

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jammrock View Post
                        I deny that denialism will decline!
                        No fair. Self fulfilling prophecy.
                        Chuck
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