"Blu-ray Disc" vs. "HD DVD": Neither Is Winning

[Hulk]

And you're wrong.

And I'm right.

I said the following:

"Mass acceptance of high definition is going to take much longer. I'd say 2012 at the earliest and high definition DVDs may never gain widespread adoption."

Link: http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php...highlight=2010

1. High definition DVDs are as dead as DISCo.

2. I still believe it's going to take until 2012 for the entire world to have the kind of broadband access to make high definition video accepted by the masses, but I think high definition downloads are already upon us in the industrialized nations.

I stand by my original assertions.




Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

When HD gains "mass acceptance" by 2012, which it of course will, you will be WRONG on one count.

And when optical HD discs gain widespread acceptance you will be WRONG on two more.

ONE since you said it wouldn't happen.

And TWO because you've been arguing against it throughout this entire thread.

[Tjalfe]

Only if you repeat said post on a regular interval

[Mehen]

I should start listing every individual store and retailer that offers HD DVD and Blu Ray.

[Jerry Jones]

At least, without fibre optics.

But fiber optics are, in fact, key to widespread IPTV adoption and blazing fast download speeds; so you seem to be ignoring reality and the two IPTV services already being rolled out... FiOS (Verizon) and U-verse (AT&T):

1. FiOS:

http://www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv?LOBCode=C&PromoTCode=REN01&PromoSrcCode=B&POEId=TL1MS

2. U-verse:

https://uverse1.att.com/un/launchAMSS.do

More such services are inevitable.

But in the major metro areas, it's already a reality.

Even Idaho -- my rural state -- is on the list to get FiOS as the service expands across the country.

Traditional forms of broadband such as cable, for example, are in big trouble as the IPTV expansion continues to explode.

Another player worth watching in the days ahead is Clearwire, which offers broadband via WiMAX (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access).

I suspect the Clearwire technology is capable of faster speeds than currently being offered.

There was a setback for Clearwire recently with their Sprint partnership falling apart, but I think there might be more to come that we don't yet know about.

But I stand by my original assertions.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Evildead666]

Its taken the telco here 5 years to get me from 512kbps to 2.5Mbps.
It will be easy another 5 until i get the next bump up.

And i'm 35km (as birds fly) from the centre of Paris.

Cable TV is dead, ADSL is the next big thing, with FiOS in inner-city areas.

Not enough people have fast enouhg internet access.
But, you are right in one point, the companies are looking into online distribution, thats for sure. They're looking at how to secure their data, and compress it to f*ck so that it will be fine to watch, but just. The TV's and receivers will be working overtime decompressing and deblocking etc...and DRM.

The only online content distribution system I am happy with atm, is Steam.
No more scratched DVD's, and if i change PC, I just have top re-download all the files. Takes time, but once its done, its done.

I would like this for my DVD collection. Or future HD-DVD collection.
I buy, and it is stored on my HDD. I can re-DL whenever i change PC, because the purchase is locked to my account, and not my PC. I'd have a HUGE online library.

But that probably won't happen soon. maybe. lol

[Brian Ellis]

And you're wrong.

And I'm right.
I still believe it's going to take until 2012 for the entire world to have the kind of broadband access to make high definition video accepted by the masses, but I think high definition downloads are already upon us in the industrialized nations.

No, you are not right. There is no way that at least 95% of users in industrialised nations (possible exception of S. Korea) would have connections permitting bitrates of the order of Mbit/s. Dammit, 1000 kbit/s is already at the limit for wired networking within a building. My own network is limited at 100 kbit/s. At least, without fibre optics. My usual ADSL link is usually at 500-800 kbit/s. For true HD, without severe compression artefacting, you need at least 5000 kbit/s.

May I respectfully suggest you gracefully admit that you made an error of judgement?

[Jerry Jones]

And for my final shell I shall remind you that not long ago YOU were arguing with me that HD in general would not take hold for many many years. I say it would by 2010 and you said NO WAY!!!

And you're wrong.

And I'm right.

I said the following:

"Mass acceptance of high definition is going to take much longer. I'd say 2012 at the earliest and high definition DVDs may never gain widespread adoption."

Link: http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php...highlight=2010

1. High definition DVDs are as dead as DISCo.

2. I still believe it's going to take until 2012 for the entire world to have the kind of broadband access to make high definition video accepted by the masses, but I think high definition downloads are already upon us in the industrialized nations.

I stand by my original assertions.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Hulk]

Well I guess I should neutralize the only new bit of information you've posted recently Jerry.

Blockbuster is hurting NOT because of on-line downloading but because of Netflix. I used to do Blockbuster, now Netflix. And most of the people I know have switched as well.

NEWS FLASH! All the content you posted is still crap.

Penryn is going to be a great evolution of Core 2 Duo, no doubt about that. But there is also NO doubt that it'll be some time before companies start streaming in a format so complex that it takes the newest hardware to decode. Just like software companies don't write for the state of the art hardware, neither will these companies stream it. You know that makes sense and is the truth.

And for my final shell I shall remind you that not long ago YOU were arguing with me that HD in general would not take hold for many many years. I say it would by 2010 and you said NO WAY!!!

It is quite funny how I was right and now you are arguing that HD streaming is already upon us!

Ha! Ha! Ha! (Vincent Price laugh from "Thriller")

[Brian Ellis]

Yup, I get the same, with Firefox. You must have Internet Exploder, which I NEVER use.

[paulw]

http://www.nbc.com/Video/

NBC introduces "NBC Direct" downloads.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Love this bit
"MUST RESIDE WITHIN THE U.S" "BROWSER NOT COMPATIBLE"
using Opera

[Jerry Jones]

http://www.nbc.com/Video/

NBC introduces "NBC Direct" downloads.

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[paulw]

Not too bad for $199. Ditch the SCART and add HDMI would be a good step. Wonder if it plays H264??

[Jerry Jones]

Pinnacle ShowCenter 250HD:

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/Digital+Media+Adapters/Digital+Media+Player/ShowCenter+250+HD.htm

It delivers high quality playback, including HD viewing of Windows Media Video 9, DivX HD and MPEG-2 file formats, digital audio output, and photo viewing in high definition resolution.

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Jerry Jones]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/technology/12intel.html?em&ex=1195016400&en=5948ff176ac1b8e1&ei=5087%0A

“It’s biggest impact is high-definition video,” he said. “It will be highly addictive.”

As consumers clamor for more Internet video, a huge computing burden is placed on companies like Google, Microsoft and providers of digital video, who must compress the video files so they can be streamed to desktop and portable computers.

Intel’s new family, made up of 16 processors, would first be used in servers and high-end desktops that compress the video. They are the first chips based on a new manufacturing process that Intel says will give it a significant competitive advantage by increasing computing performance while reducing power consumption.

The chips, which were developed under the code name Penryn, use a re-engineered transistor that is about half the size of its predecessor. It switches more quickly, requires less switching power and leaks less current than that previous transistor.

The chip industry measures its progress by the width of one of the smallest features of a transistor. Much of the industry is now building chips in what is known as 90-nanometer technology (a nanometer is one-billionth of a meter). At that scale, about 1,000 transistors would fit in the width of a human hair. Intel began making chips at 65 nanometers in 2005, about nine months before its closest competitors.

The Penryn chips are at the next stage of refinement, just 45 nanometers. The company said it would be able to squeeze up to 820 million transistors onto a single silicon die. The company is making the chips at two factories, in Oregon and Arizona. Next year, it will add two plants, in Israel and New Mexico.

The first products based on the new manufacturing technology will be Intel Core 2 and Xeon microprocessors. Chips for notebook PCs, marketed as the Intel Core 2 Extreme and Intel Core 2 Duo, will be available in the first quarter of next year.

To get better video compression, Intel has added a set of 46 instructions it calls SSE4 to the new microprocessors.

The leading designer of the new processor, Steve Fischer, said the new instructions would make possible a new generation of servers that enhance the compression of digital video.

“Video is becoming ubiquitous on the Web,” he said.

“This is a step in the right direction,” said Richard Doherty, president of Envisioneering, “and it’s probably the best use for this 45-nanometer technology over the next couple of years.”

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[xortam]

We're expecting to start receiving SD and HD IPTV signals via C-Band Big Dish satellite within the next six months. The signals will be targeted mainly towards telcos and cable headends but us BUD users will be able to piggyback on that market and intercept the signals.