Parhelia needs .13 micron

[Logan]

Originally posted by Greebe
Oh did you just open the barn door boy... be prepared for the Bend over of a lifetime that which you rightfully deserve! *snickers*

Flame mode on

P.S. those who claim to work @ Intel are also personal friends of mine and you did just did stick your foot in your mouth without proving that even yourself works at and does what you claim.

Me thinks that your maturity level would be greater than your average clueless nit, but I guess not.

Well I'm happy you have good friends with Intel. I wish I had a few myself. But, remove them as your close personal friends and make them just people you have come to respect here on your forum. Then place another newbie in my place who does the same thing. Who are you most likely to believe? Those whom you have come to trust or a newbie? Me thinks you should tone down your attitude abit and keep things from being personnal. Be it that you know those here who work at Intel and not me. Does that make me any less knowledgable about what Nvidia has going on or who they higher to manufacturer chips for them? Reverse roles with me and your friends from Intel. Would you be acting the same way towards them as you are now with me just because you knew me and not them? I have not come in here and called anyone names nor tried to starta flame war over who is going to have the next greatest thing. But I did come in to give some info on what I knew about that someone else was saying was other wise. How in anyway is this welcoming me to a flame?

[Logan]

Originally posted by Greebe
Keep talkin out your hyped arse while we keep talkin reality ie facts.

Whatever Greebe. Just because you don't know me personally gives you no right to doubt what I say. Besides, I think it'll quite funny this fall when the NV30 launches as it will on time and on the .13 micron process from TSMC.

[Greebe]

Listen up boy, it's you that came into my home, not the other way around. Why your here is not entirely beyond me, but then again doesn't suprise me. If nV needs to hyper hype their wares, they already own the best marketing liers on the planet, they don't need you todo it for them. To be honest it's you that's the problem that way many more will have a problem with. Why are you here in the first place? Afraid of something? Haven't been able to steal technology/employees from the like of SGI/3DFX and or Matrox lately?

Shoot even Microsoft can't stand the company's BS. Even the insider trading shit that's been pulled can't save your arse now. You claim the TSMC will be ontime, but you can't claim that... heck not even they can under threat or regardless of how much laundered money you throw at them. So what gives? Not gettin any lately Mr. Professional? ROTFLMAOATPMP

[Logan]

Originally posted by Greebe
Listen up boy, it's you that came into my home, not the other way around. Why your here is not entirely beyond me, but then again doesn't suprise me. If nV needs to hyper hype their wares, they already own the best marketing liers on the planet, they don't need you todo it for them. To be honest it's you that's the problem that way many more will have a problem with. Why are you here in the first place? Afraid of something? Haven't been able to steal technology/employees from the like of SGI/3DFX and or Matrox lately?

Shoot even Microsoft can't stand the company's BS. Even the insider trading shit that's been pulled can't save your arse now. You claim the TSMC will be ontime, but you can't claim that... heck not even they can under threat or regardless of how much laundered money you throw at them. So what gives? Not gettin any lately Mr. Professional? ROTFLMAOATPMP

I don't know what pissed in your bowl of cerial this morning, but its no reason to take it out on me. I had questions asked of me and I answered them. I'm not here saying or posting pro or anti anything for or about anyone. All I did was share some knowledge and you jump all over me. What gives with that? Based on your conduct alone towards me you shouldn't even be a moderator here. I could understand totally if I came in bashing everyone and posting constant Pro-whoever adds and Anti Matrox adds, But I haven't done that either.

[Rags]

Originally posted by Logan


Whatever Greebe. Just because you don't know me personally gives you no right to doubt what I say. Besides, I think it'll quite funny this fall when the NV30 launches as it will on time and on the .13 micron process from TSMC.

This Fall. That's the key.

The claims that Matrox should have used .13 is what we are deabating. We couldn't care less if you used the new nVidia card and loved it, and it was made on a .00001 process. The fact is that .13 is NOT ready NOW. Parhelia needed to get out NOW.

NOW leave your chest thumping to the side and think about who with and what you are trying to argue.

Rags

[Rags]

Re: Soory, your wrong

Originally posted by Logan
"Also, there isn't any 130nm ready out there. Nothing, nada. Intel has it, and they don't share. Nobody else is doing it well"

Not true my friend. As TSMC has thier .13 micron process up. How do I know you ask. Simple, I have tested and used the NV30. It was/is built on the .13 process from TSMC.

Then there is the statement about Nvidia's chips costing video card makers more money. They don't the TNTs used to set back companies around 60 bucks per chip. the GF4s are in the nieghborhood of 35-40 bucks per chip.

See. This is your butting into a conversation without really taking the time honored tradition of actually reading a thread and thinking about the meaning behind the post.

The only things that have been claimed in this thread is that .13 is a ways off yet, and that's the reasoning behind P not being on that process.

I think you are full of it, personally, but hey. More power to you.

Rags

[Logan]

Originally posted by Rags

This Fall. That's the key.

The claims that Matrox should have used .13 is what we are deabating. We couldn't care less if you used the new nVidia card and loved it, and it was made on a .00001 process. The fact is that .13 is NOT ready NOW. Parhelia needed to get out NOW.

NOW leave your chest thumping to the side and think about who with and what you are trying to argue.

Rags

I never said they needed it or not. I never even said the Matrox card would be bad. Would it be nice to see it on .13, sure, but for thier needs, I agree with most of those here, they can't/couldn't afford to wait. And as to my next card, it could be anyones. I look for high FPS at HIGH RES for my gaming. Any kind of AA isn't even a concern to me as I feel its a waste of time. Especially at High Res.

[Logan]

Re: Re: Soory, your wrong

Originally posted by Rags


See. This is your butting into a conversation without really taking the time honored tradition of actually reading a thread and thinking about the meaning behind the post.

The only things that have been claimed in this thread is that .13 is a ways off yet, and that's the reasoning behind P not being on that process.

I think you are full of it, personally, but hey. More power to you.

Rags

I took his original message as meaning that Only Intel had it and nobody did, atleast in some kind of working fashion. The fact that I have seen and tested a chip based on the .13 micron process states otherwise. Thats all that I was trying to get at. There was also the mention that Nvidia chips have cost more over the years and not less, and again I posted in regaurds to that aswell. As the have moved to smaller microns, Nvidia's chips have gone down in cost overall. The first month or 2 on a new process is usually the period of time in which the manufactuers pay the most for them as it takes time to gets things ramped up. This was also true with the GF3 line when it first went to the .15 micron process.

[Greebe]

Most here, pardon?... You don't even know what your talkin about for heavens sake.

Oh that's right... fps kiddies who'll drop the same amount of money on a product what every 6 months to a year for just a few more while ignoring the fact that they are stilll running daddy's hand me down 15-17" monitor.

and unlike nV's "resistor tricks" that you claim the NV30 is better at, even without them are still not even as good as a three year old G400. P is so bloody good at 2D that IMHO doubt anyone for a very long time can touch, heck I don't even know how Matrox could improve it further... but then again most nVidiots only have 19" or less monitors running at 1280x960 res or less. While on the flipside of the ball park that you striked out in are running multiple high end monitors and realise the value Matrox offers for their high end needs.

So can you talk out your arse any dumb and dumber?

[Greebe]

and one other thing... aren't you in violation of YOUR NDA for even stating most that you have?!

Oh that's right, you claim it, but really are just talkin out your arse... again and again and again.

[Logan]

Originally posted by Greebe
Most here, pardon?... You don't even know what your talkin about for heavens sake.

Oh that's right... fps kiddies who'll drop the same amount of money on a product what every 6 months to a year for just a few more while ignoring the fact that they are stilll running daddy's hand me down 15-17" monitor.

and unlike nV's "resistor tricks" that you claim the NV30 is better at, even without them are still not even as good as a three year old G400. P is so bloody good at 2D that IMHO doubt anyone for a very long time can touch, heck I don't even know how Matrox could improve it further... but then again most nVidiots only have 19" or less monitors running at 1280x960 res or less. While on the flipside of the ball park that you striked out in are running multiple high end monitors and realise the value Matrox offers for their high end needs.

So can you talk out your arse any dumb and dumber?

Actually, my current rig is a P3 1ghz with a GF2. I play all but 2 of my games at high res. IE:1600x1200x32bit x full eye candy on my 21" Sony Tritontron monitor thank you very much. So yes I do enjoy

Secondly, I never said the NV30 was better at 2D than Matrox in terms of Clarity or Crispness. Hell I never said any Nvidia product or any others were better than Matrox in 2D quality for that matter. But then again I don't care about 2D. I play 3D games. Those where the FPS counts matter. The only 2 games I have now that currently prevent me from running my games where I like to are JK2 and RTCW. The list should increase before the end of the year.

Thirdly, since you keep bringing it up, would you please find 1 reference where I have stated that Matrox products suck compared to Nvidia or ATI. I haven't as they don't. I'll admit that Matrox has always had vastly supiorer 2D and 3D quality in terms of crispness and clarity. Hell I've used Matrox cards in the past some of the first computers I ever owned. But I'm into High Res gaming and I need FPS not prettiness.

[Greebe]

LOL I didn't even realise this was going on in the forum which I'm the moderator... and nV's elite uses AOL? Bwahahahahahahaha

(sorry Chuck but this is just too funny!

[Logan]

Originally posted by Greebe
and one other thing... aren't you in violation of YOUR NDA for even stating most that you have?!

Oh that's right, you claim it, but really are just talkin out your arse... again and again and again.

Nope. And staing what, things that are already known like what process the NV30 will be on or the core speed of what I tested? Believe what you want, I don't really care as nothing I can say will change your mind. And yes, both have already been revieled, you just have to look for it. I'm not going to hold your hand to find it.

[Logan]

Originally posted by Greebe
LOL I didn't even realise this was going on in the forum which I'm the moderator... and nV's elite uses AOL? Bwahahahahahahaha

(sorry Chuck but this is just too funny!

What, shocked someone uses AOL? I don't care, It es what I need it to. I connect at 53333 constantly and never lose my connection. I'd have DSL or Cable but neither are available yet in my area.

[VigilAnt]

Hello Logan,

I read your post about having your hands on a .13 NV30 and got very interested, as I had information that contradicted your statements.

I have contacted my mole who gets me my nVidia information, and I have to say I find it very hard to believe an NV30 is in your hands in the form of a sample card, with drivers that will perform at that level, and at 13 m.

They don't have shipping samples at this time in the fashion you describe, and their clock speeds are not as high as you claim (if you divide that by two, and change the process on your sample card to .15, I would have to see no reason to not believe you have a prototype---but it doesn't perform and has not been debugged as of yet).

NV30 is still in the distance, but nVidia has a history of getting product to market when needs dictate.

VigilAnt