The IT industry is shifting away from Micro$oft

[The PIT]

Oh yeh cups and the print jobs you can't remove. You don't have the rights to delete this print job. I'm bloody root you stupid OS delete the bugger. I'd forgotten that. Even better is the lost stuck print job that suddenly decides to print out days later.
Cups is better than it used to be but again needs work.

[leech]

Well, it always helps to use the proper driver in the first place. But it isn't just CUPS that does that. I've had Print jobs without there being any remote printing involved that just WOULD NOT delete. Ever since I first started to print things in Windows95, I don't think they've ever updated the Printer Queue software. Even the damned interface is the exact same. Unless you stop the job first, then delete it, it just sits there and says Deleting-Printing.

Leech

[DukeP]

That particular HP printer/scanner/copy thingy is a beast to get to work - if it first fails.

I have had problems with it both in win98se and winxpsp1a.

After I updated its BIOS (which isnt for the faint of heart, btw), I had a somewhat easier time with the huge drivers.

~~DukeP~~

[Technoid]

HP printer software is worse than anything else.....

[leech]

I think we need to update the list of worse driver teams....

1: HP. Their windows drivers just suck.
2: Creative Labs. Ditto.

Not sure who else has incredibly crappy driver development. ATI has improved by leaps and bounds.

Leech

[rugger]

Hmmm, I have a HP Deskjet 930C ... the good thing is that there is a cancel job button on the printer, so stuff doesn't get stuck in the queue. Can't say I have had any problems with the drivers for it. I am even using it on a USB port rather then the Parellel port. Wasn't the cheapest printer on the shelf, but I feel it is well worth it.

I also have an Sb-live sound card. For some reason, I have been spared the pain most other creative users have received.

I would have to add nvidia to the list of crappy driver writers .... for their nforce effort. Their onboard ethernet drivers are interrupt happy and happy steal 5-10% of your CPU performance. I had to install an older version of the ethernet driver and select Throughput mode to fix that. And the caching IDE drivers simply don't work with my Liteon burner.

[leech]

Ok, I think I'll speak here on behalf of anyone who has had to trouble-shoot modern PC's. NONE of the OPERATING SYSTEMS currently on the x86 architecture are made for the "Joe Average" They both have their serious issues. One Operating System that was PERFECT for the Joe Average was the Atari ST TOS/GEM. It was SO easy and had no major issues. Granted it was single tasking, but the OS itself was so easy that a monkey could figure it out!

Leech

[rugger]

Originally posted by leech
Ok, I think I'll speak here on behalf of anyone who has had to trouble-shoot modern PC's. NONE of the OPERATING SYSTEMS currently on the x86 architecture are made for the "Joe Average" They both have their serious issues. One Operating System that was PERFECT for the Joe Average was the Atari ST TOS/GEM. It was SO easy and had no major issues. Granted it was single tasking, but the OS itself was so easy that a monkey could figure it out!

Leech

But the reasons why windows on x86 is hard are:

1) Diverse range of hardware. Hardware production for x86 is uncontrolled. Nobody has to approve hardware for release, leaving people with often buggy hardware and useless drivers. This is what makes troubleshooting hardware harder.
2) Non-standard driver installation. Windows has its own perfectly good driver installation procedure. The fact that every hardware manufacturer makes their own, non-standard installer simply makes it harder.

[The PIT]

Originally posted by rugger
But the reasons why windows on x86 is hard are:

1) Diverse range of hardware. Hardware production for x86 is uncontrolled. Nobody has to approve hardware for release, leaving people with often buggy hardware and useless drivers. This is what makes troubleshooting hardware harder.
2) Non-standard driver installation. Windows has its own perfectly good driver installation procedure. The fact that every hardware manufacturer makes their own, non-standard installer simply makes it harder.

Pretty much can be the said for Linux except the install procedures are less well documented and vary between distros make life harder.

[rugger]

Originally posted by The PIT
Pretty much can be the said for Linux except the install procedures are less well documented and vary between distros make life harder.

True, but I wasn't talking about linux anywhere in my post. My post was about the difference between the x86 platform and every other platform some zealot has evangalionized

Its easy to make a platform simple when that platform has a limited hardware configuration. An example of this is that Atari machine, and the apple macintosh.

[leech]

Exactly! The fact that the PC platform varies in hardware SO much, is one of the main reasons that Linux and windows and pretty much any OS that has third party driver support will be unstable forever. The third party drivers I think is what really messes things up. I've never seen stability problems from an older setup that is fully supported by native drivers within XP. It's always when you start installing the manufacturer's drivers that messes it up.

And I think it could very well be that linux has more general stability than windows BECAUSE almost all drivers are built-in with either the kernel, or with display cards, with XFree86.

Leech

PS I miss my Atari ST.... That cute little busy bee. I've been thinking for a LONG time, of making a cursor theme and GTK/QT theme that looked like MultiTOS.

[rugger]

Originally posted by leech


And I think it could very well be that linux has more general stability than windows BECAUSE almost all drivers are built-in with either the kernel, or with display cards, with XFree86.

Leech

PS I miss my Atari ST.... That cute little busy bee. I've been thinking for a LONG time, of making a cursor theme and GTK/QT theme that looked like MultiTOS.

I would like to be able to correllate your experience, but it seems I can't. Even with half a dozen third party drivers, my computer is perfectly stable. A bit of a pain to get setup correctly, but no crashing/lockup problems.

[runderwo]

I just pulled my STe out of mothballs the other day. Had some random bombs though, and looks like some capacitors in the power supply dried out over time. Once I get the replacements I'll be kickin' it oldskool....hopefully.

[Byock]

Now your talking! Screw MS and Linux! TOS and Workbench to the masses!!

[Kurt]

Free The Dungeon Master!!!!