G800 or whatever

[Arsa]

I was thinking... it would be nice to have geforce 3 (4) as an additional card (aka voodoo 1 or even better m3d) ;-)

[Dogbert]

Maggi,

You know me from the G200 times, my username was Cloudy, I lost my password due to an error in the perferences page and Ant never returned my e-mail about it. I had no choice but start a new user.
I for one, never forgot nor forgiven matrox for the G200 fiasco. I also hate the TurboGL and ICD problems with the G400. The G400 was 80% ok when it was out - which isn't bad at all, but it's way from perfect.
Lately, matrox are acting just like Be inc. Focusing on the corporate market with the G450 and video editing hardware. It's true that the matrox and the community is way bigger and stronger but the competition is also harder. I need a new video card, I'm still waiting for a G800 roumor or anything that'll give me some indication about when we'll actually see one and know more about the features. Once I lose my patience I'll buy a Radeon 64 VIVO just like I did when I had it with the G200 (bought a Rage 128 Fury). Matrox are neglecting us. There isn't a better word. My G400 was a great thing when it was new, but my ATi and nVIDIA owning friends moved on to better hardware and I'm still here with my "nice features for such an old tech" card. Every day that passes means more people buying ATi or nVIDIA. Nobody will want to buy a G800 for christmas before reading some excellent benchmarks, and usually you buy your christmas presents 2 weeks before so it leaves Matrox less than 2 months to send cards to Sharky/firingsquad etc. and to have them on the shelves. I honestly don't see it happen. Mircosoft will delay the DirectX 8 till nVIDIA will have a compatible card (they're working together now, did anyone forget that ?) and by then nobody will want an old-tech G800.
It's a now-or-never time for matrox, do they have the balls pick the glove ?

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I like to con people, but I also like to insult them. What if I could combine the two, I would call it - Consult !

[Himself]

A MURC about a company that only makes 2D cards only would get pretty boring, at least in this forum, I don't think that is why people talk about the G400 here.

I can see it now:

Topic: G800's 2D is great.

Greebe: The 2D on my new spanking G800 sure is great, I get 6000 points in wintune!!

Joel: Yep, sure is, I pity those NVIDIA fools! Pixel number 3678 on G800 cards is vastly superior to pixel 3678 on anything NVIDIA can toss out!



Thing is, 3D is important to MURC folks, hence all the G800 speculation, they just don't like to be reminded that Matrox isn't delivering as fast as the other guy, so they
talk about 2D a lot and dual head. The more you remind them about speed, the more entrenched they get about 2D and dual head. To be fair, what else do you expect them to do? They can't produce a G800 to advocate Matrox with, so they have to come up with something.

I think Matrox will deliver a G800 with 3D, it will probably be about the speed of the original Geforce cards and cost as much as the GTS and Radeons, but have some feature the others don't so that MURC folks can say it's all worth it. That seems to be the pattern.

I don't mind it myself, I am used it that kind of thing from my Amiga years, I just find it amusing and ironic. About the only reason I visit the hardware forum.

[PaulS]

>fact, NVIDIA stole employees from Matrox,
>this included technology.

Such a colourful image betrays a rather biased perspective. I can just picture NVIDIA loading Matrox employees at gun point, in the dead of night, to be carried off to some top secret research facility!

If Matrox lost talent, knowledge and skills to NVIDIA, then most likely it was because NVIDIA valued them more highly.

I don't think losing valuable employees is a particularly good excuse for anything, just an embarrassment. Companies that treat people right tend to have loyal talent.

Paul

[Maggi]

Originally posted by Dogbert:
Maggi,

You know me from the G200 times, my username was Cloudy,

Ok Cloudy, that clears it up a bit ...

But why do you still bring up the old stories ?

Would you also insist to remind me of the BS that happened back in World War II, only because I'm German ?

[Jutai]

wow MAGGI a little harsh don't you think?

[Greebe]

I don't think Maggi's being harsh at all. Just because we're beta testers doesn't mean we're mindless droids. We kick, yell and shout, so to speak when upset over issues. Just that most of these issues are bound by our NDA's and therefore can't be discussed openly. Like PaulS's "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer...", that BS is just not true.

NV has inflicted damage into many companies, Matrox must be their latest (known) victim. This caused a loss of employees and technology through illegal means. It has slowed down the process of development, things are a little delayed, but none the less, coming soon.

PaulS,

If Matrox lost talent, knowledge and skills to NVIDIA, then most likely it was because NVIDIA valued them more highly.

Define that with illegal as the pretence. So far it's a concept you simply do not comprehend. Other than showing your considerable foundation of computer knowledge you suprise me as being really that dense.

DB, senseless ranting on and drifting from the facts won't get you anywhere. We were there, experienced the history first hand, but what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? We state the facts, unglorified, as we, not Matrox detirmines what exactly is said. I have nothing to gain what so ever by doing it anyway! I don't advise anyone on any configuration, setup, mod, cooling, etc. issues, so why would I have malice towards this?

Judging us the way you are, wreaks of envy, distrust toward your fellow man and paranoia. I hope you seek help soon.

[ALBPM]

Well, what do you know...LOL

Cloudy Piss is back and ranting away again....YAWN!!!!!!!!!!

Paul

[WMTJ]

Now back to the topic....

A couple days ago I was over at Anandtech ( http://forums.anandtech.com/ and in a plan update Carmack mentioned the Matrox's new offering would totally eliminate the memory bandwidth issues! Now if the leaked specs are true or even close then a single chip(600mpixels)G800 much less a dual chip(1.2mpixel) could possibly tie us over longer than the G400 has. MEMORY BANDWIDTH ELIMINATED?! Care to drop a hint beta testers?

WMTJ

[tuco]

you call that a double post????

[AlgoRhythm]

You know, if you hit this button: (<IMG SRC=http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/edit.gif>) you can delete the extra posts...

AlgoRhythm

[hominid skull]

That last post makes up nearly half of your total posts....

//edit: That's an Octuple post....

[This message has been edited by hominid skull (edited 21 October 2000).]

[Greebe]

Now please go back, edit and delete those that aren't neccessary (Geesh)

[DuRaNgO]

"nice features for such an old tech" card

Could you tell me exactly when nVidea first had a card AVAILABLE on the market that supported EMBM?

[PaulS]

>Define that with illegal as the pretence.
>So far it's a concept you simply do not
>comprehend.

I'm very wary of listening to companies threatening legal action against other companies that hire their employees. Intel is a typical example - if they were prepared to put the money they spend on legal proceedings back into their employee's pockets they might not have the problem they do.

Think of it from an employee's perspective. Company A treats you like dirt. Company B offers much more, why shouldn't you move?

Paul