G800 or whatever

[DentyCracker]

Not bloody likely. I do not expect to see G800 or whatever until next year. (hopefully in time for my birthday in February) Until then I'll keep my G400, but will not cuss anyone who moves on. It's just a video card, and these are just my eyes, and I prefer something that doesn't strain them as I spend a LOT (too much) time in front of a computer every day.

[Surfwienix]

Originally posted by WMTJ:
Now back to the topic....

A couple days ago I was over at Anandtech ( http://forums.anandtech.com/ and in a plan update Carmack mentioned the Matrox's new offering would totally eliminate the memory bandwidth issues.

i can't find it in the anandtech-forums

[Joel]

Greebe, Don't argue with these people. None of them have the capacity to see the full scope of this and to realize that the employee issue is only the tip of the iceberg.

Joel

[Himself]

That and a cup of coffee leaves me with a warm beverage.

[alessandro]

You know guys, i don't really care about G800 specs because i'm going to buy it whatever happens ........but what i'm interested to find out is THE PRICE of the G800!!!
I hope it's going to cost less than the £200 i've paid for my G400 MAX.

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[WMTJ]

Surfwienix


http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...hreadid=256388

and I read it elsewhere. Still looking for that.

[Tuomas]

Originally posted by WMTJ:
[...]in a plan update Carmack mentioned the Matrox's new offering would totally eliminate the memory bandwidth issues

This bit made me salivate. JC tends to know the stuff he's talking about.

Now if the leaked specs are true or even close then a single chip (600 mpixels)G800 much less a dual chip (1.2 mpixel) [...]

Hehe, the Glaze3D specs strike again


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Tuomas
But this goes up to eleven.

[frankymail]

About some the G800/Condor II rumors.

The "Pins compatible with G450 chip" rumor must be COMPLETELY false. If it was pin compatible with the G450, that means that it would only have a 64-bits memory path. Maybe that Matrox integrated some bandwidth cutting features like Hyper-Z and textures Compression, but they still would need at least a 128-bits memory path running at least at 200-250 MHz DDR to feed the 1.8 Gtexels/s fillrate. No 64-bits DRAM is capable of achieving >5Gbps data-throughtput.

About the dual chip model, it makes a lot of sense to me. The Dual-chip design would probably similar to the Voodoo 5500 design, where each chip has its own memory subsystem.
Two 200-250 MHz G800 with 32 mb 200 MHz DDR-Sdram each would offer performance equal to that of the future GeForce 3 (6Pixel pipelines, 3 textures per pixels, 300 MHz core clock, 12.8 Gbps memory throughtput,...)
For about $500-600, where the GeForce 3 is stated to debute at $800, yes 800!!!.

A single chip G800 card with 32 mb 200 MHz DDR-Sdram for $225 and a single chip card with 64 MB for $300, and finally a dual chip with 64 or 128 MB DDR-Sdram for 500-600 would be all very competitive cards, with great value. Matrox could even make a low-end solution card to replace the Millennium G450 with something like a G800 clocked at 150 MHz to use the lesser yields, paired with 32 MB 128-bits >200 MHz Sdram or 16/32 MB 128-bits 150-166 DDR-Sdram.

Anyway, the upcoming free-for-all between the Matrox G800-serie, the nVIDIA GeForce 3/Ultra, the 3Dfx Rampage and the ATI R200/R300 will make casualities (and will be very fun to watch!!!)

Feel free to comment my comments,
Francis Beausejour
Frankymail@yahoo.com

[Nappe1]

Originally posted by Tuomas:
...the Glaze3D specs strike again

Hi Tuomas! It is nice to see you here too. As you remember, we had a great G400 overclocking competition at www.muropaketti.com message board last summer.

HISTORY:
Anyway, some of you hopefully can remember that I posted info about rumours around BitBoys and Matrox at General Hardware Forum: "...In that interview Bitboys mentioned NVidia, Ati and 3DFX as their competitors, but no Matrox anymore! in previous Interview they mentioned Matrox as competior..."

THOUGHTS:
Maybe there is more co-operation than only licensing EMBM for G800 too. Bitboys has solved Memory Bandwith problem with eDRAM technology called Xtreme Memory Bandwidth Technology and they said that they could sell licenses of it to other manufacturers too.

CONCLUSIONS:
So there is slight chance that Matrox has Licensed this technology. Because this is one of the finished parts of Glaze3D cards.

Actually those G800 Leaked Specs are almost 100%( only eDRAM is missing. EDIT: whoops.. almost forgot... Glaze3D 600 didn't include T&L engine at all. so that's new for G800. ) same as Glaze3D 600 which was born as dead in 1997 or 1998. It was never released. It was way too expensive manufacture back then.

So BitBoys have fully designed 2 3DCards which were never seen as products. The Pyramid3D and Glaze3D 600



[This message has been edited by Nappe1 (edited 26 October 2000).]

[Gary Hendershot]

Originally posted by frankymail:
About some the G800/Condor II rumors.

...Matrox could even make a low-end solution card to replace the Millennium G450 with something like a G800 clocked at 150 MHz to use the lesser yields, paired with 32 MB 128-bits >200 MHz Sdram or 16/32 MB 128-bits 150-166 DDR-Sdram...

If Matrox dared to release something like this (these), they would be most feasible as cheap-o white box OEM products and/or as notebook computer videographics chipsets.

[Wombat]

Well, since that's where the money is made.....


After all, they "dared" to release the G450. Hey, it's not a bad card, it just belongs in the business world, not [marketed as] playing video games.

[WMTJ]

Originally posted by Nappe1:
Hi Tuomas! It is nice to see you here too. As you remember, we had a great G400 overclocking competition at www.muropaketti.com message board last summer.

HISTORY:
Anyway, some of you hopefully can remember that I posted info about rumours around BitBoys and Matrox at General Hardware Forum: "...In that interview Bitboys mentioned NVidia, Ati and 3DFX as their competitors, but no Matrox anymore! in previous Interview they mentioned Matrox as competior..."

THOUGHTS:
Maybe there is more co-operation than only licensing EMBM for G800 too. Bitboys has solved Memory Bandwith problem with eDRAM technology called Xtreme Memory Bandwidth Technology and they said that they could sell licenses of it to other manufacturers too.

CONCLUSIONS:
So there is slight chance that Matrox has Licensed this technology. Because this is one of the finished parts of Glaze3D cards.

Actually those G800 Leaked Specs are almost 100%( only eDRAM is missing. EDIT: whoops.. almost forgot... Glaze3D 600 didn't include T&L engine at all. so that's new for G800. ) same as Glaze3D 600 which was born as dead in 1997 or 1998. It was never released. It was way too expensive manufacture back then.

So BitBoys have fully designed 2 3DCards which were never seen as products. The Pyramid3D and Glaze3D 600



[This message has been edited by Nappe1 (edited 26 October 2000).]

WOW eDRAM! That would be to good to be true. I don't think so because rumors have been hinting that a dual chip card(G800) will be nessesary to stay competitive. A single chip(600mpixels/1800mtexels) w/ all that bandwidth and a few unheard of features would be more than enough to outperform a GTS Ultra. Now a dual chip configuration with bandwidth to spare(if there is such a senario) would be the industries top performer if current design trends (very conservative) hold true of other companys.
Conservative!? Yes even though more and more transisters are being put in these chips there still doesn't seem to be any real "maverick" moves from the big video card companys who have the cash to burn.
Improved die shrink prosess and z-buffin crap didn't solve anything. Yes, these approches made their chips faster but it didn't help any of them perform nowhere near thier theoretical peak! Maybe common sence dictates that in order to fullfill chip X's banwidth requirements you must fully incorprate 2Z instead of just Z.
This is why I think Matrox can take the performance crown! I have never heard of their chips being bandwidth limmited!

WMTJ

[This message has been edited by WMTJ (edited 28 October 2000).]

[DuRaNgO]

[Nappe1]

Originally posted by WMTJ:

WOW eDRAM! That would be to good to be true. I don't think so because rumors have been hinting that a dual chip card(G800) will be nessesary to stay competitive. A single chip(600mpixels/1800mtexels) w/ all that bandwidth and a few unheard of features would be more than enough to outperform a GTS Ultra.
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This is why I think Matrox can take the performance crown! I have never heard of their chips being bandwidth limmited!

But hey! Glaze3D 600 included dual chip configuration. So using eDRAM will not prevent using tile render based dual chip configuration. And two 9 MB (or was it 6 MB on Glaze3D 600?) eDram Graphic Prosessors on board with tile based rendering technology... It definately would remove all bottlenecks of Memory Bandwidth. As John Carmack said in his plan update.

Anyway... theses are just speculations, so who lives, will see...

PS. If matrox really does something like I mentioned above.... IT SURELY GOING TO CRUSH NVidiot


[This message has been edited by Nappe1 (edited 30 October 2000).]

[Dogbert]

It seems logic that Matrox would license more of Bitboys OY technology after already licensing EMBM. On paper their Glaze tech seems quite promising and it'll be a significant cut in the time to marked which will allow further development by matrox since most of the hardware development was already made by Bitboys. Licensing their tech or buying them completely seems as a smart move to do by any manufacturer.

You can see an example with nVIDIA hiring AUREAL engineers. A more in depth look will show that ATi, nVIDIA and S3 are moving into the MB chipset market with integrated graphics. I guess nVIDIA are betting on integrated sound as well. Let's hope matrox will be good and smart enough to get a good grab on the high end graphics market from 3Dlabs, nVIDIA (with their Quadro products) and the others.

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