Those mod'ing their cards. Are you overclocking?

[Snakebitten]

I would assume adding ramsinks if you did them right would not void warranty. As long as they don't suspect that you adding ramsinks was the cause of the failure. If you add ramsinks and your card goes bad a year from now, just take off the sinks, clean them up and RMA it.

Companies will RMA items as long as they look to be in fair condition and components don't physically appear damaged.

Just be careful when you mod and make sure you know what your doing. Practice on old computer parts for a few weeks because if you screw up and its blantantly noticeable than you'll most likely be out of a warranty.

[Buback]

yeah i've got a g400 too.

but my riva128 is sitting in a box.

edit: come to think of it my brother still has a sound blaster 16 he's using. just goes to show how much Creative innovates

[xortam]

frankymail ... I'd hope you would have more integrity than to try and stick Matrox for a card you caused to break my modifying the product. Also remember that we're the ones who ultimately pay for this deceit.

[pgde]

I think Matrox is a bit touchy about overclocking and don't understand the need to have things run cool. See the following thread at matrox.com: http://forum.matrox.com/mgaforum/For...ML/009002.html

P.

[Maniac]

Anyone that takes the time and effort of finding ways to enhance the cooling of a brand new product, and then tells you they have no intention of overclocking it, but simply running it at default speed, is lying through their teeth...period.

[Rags]

Originally posted by Maniac
Anyone that takes the time and effort of finding ways to enhance the cooling of a brand new product, and then tells you they have no intention of overclocking it, but simply running it at default speed, is lying through their teeth...period.

Bullshit. Complete, total and utter bullshit.

You have no idea/clue/inkling/ioda of breeze of a thought/ what their motives are for adding more cooling on their Parhelias.

Rags

[Marshmallowman]

unless your are in a hot climate, or get genuine overheating problems due to all the other components in your box.

It may be a bit suspect, but I have seen a genuine cases...and if I spent $400 on a video card, I would want to keep nice n cool even at the stock speed.

[CHHAS]

If I had spent $400 on a graphics card I wouldn't void the varranty without having some intention of doing more with the card than running it at default speed.

[magog]

Now my comment to the tools (8233cool, waterfall,...) used for cooling the CPU!

Some board manufacturer (for example ASUS) have disabled the HLT command in the BIOS (at least for the AMD Athlon boards)!
This command is always called from a good OS (OS/2, Linux,... - but not Win95/98), when it has nothing to do and tells the CPU to get in a "suspend" mode.
The CPU then needs less power and produces less heat.
Most of the time the CPU is waiting for work!!!!

ASUS disabled it, because some power supply units (the cheap ones), often can't perform the change of load good enough, so the whole system is getting unstable!

I hope you all got it so far!

Now there are some programs that allow to send the HLT command to the CPU, even if the command disabled in the BIOS and the OS don't call them (Windows 95/98 don't do it on their own).
The CPU does get in the suspend/waiting for work mode with these programs, and so the temperature is going down!

Not yet any overclocking!!!!

[pgde]

Originally posted by magog
This command is always called from a good OS (OS/2, Linux,... - but not Win95/98), when it has nothing to do and tells the CPU to get in a "suspend" mode.

Now there are some programs that allow to send the HLT command to the CPU, even if the command disabled in the BIOS and the OS don't call them (Windows 95/98 don't do it on their own). The CPU does get in the suspend/waiting for work mode with these programs, and so the temperature is going down!

Not yet any overclocking!!!!

Amen! Do you happen to know if XP calls the HLT command (probably not)? Too bad the tech support at Matrox doesn't know this. And in response to Maniac (and agreeing with Marshmallowman), if you live in a hot climate (like the DC area where we in the summer routinely have 95 (F) degree and 90 percent rel humidity) my case temp is 5-7 degrees (C) warmer than in the winter. So anything to keep things cool is appreciated. I am even thinking about putting in round drive cables rather than the ribbon cables to see if that improves things at all. I realize it is much cooler in Canada than farther south like we are so perhaps they (including Maniac and Matrox TS) don't have any sensitivity to the heat issues.

[magog]

Originally posted by pgde

Amen! Do you happen to know if XP calls the HLT command (probably not)? Too bad the tech support at Matrox doesn't know this.

I don't know it for sure, but XP should use the HLT command.
NT4 used it as far as I know, and Win2000 is build on NT tech. XP is build on Win2000 tech!
But if the board manufacturer disabled the HLT command, it's probaliy not possible for the OS to call it if they use the BIOS for it.

[Joel]

Anyone that takes the time and effort of finding ways to enhance the cooling of a brand new product, and then tells you they have no intention of overclocking it, but simply running it at default speed, is lying through their teeth...period.

I was going to tell you why I do it but then I realized I don't have to justify my motives to an a**hole like you.

Plus I didn't pay a dime for mine. I pay for mine with the time that I put into testing the card and drivers for problems so that a**holes like you don't have to worry about them.

Joel

[TdB]

I was going to tell you why I do it but then I realized I don't have to justify my motives to an a**hole like you.

well, I would like to know, all this talk about cooling is making me a bit nervous, I just ordered my parhelia, but I don´t intend to overclock or add any extra cooling.
I certainly expect this card to run stable at stock speeds with stock cooling, are there some nasty overheating problems with this card.

[Stringy]

The BBz didn't pay for them so mod'ing might be less stressful...
could be bored of all the endless driver releases

but to use excuses like "hot climates" is a stretch... I'm sure the thermal tolerance is well beyond what a PC enthusiast would allow in their case... And if it's not, there is a problem that needs to be resolved ASAP.
Remember these cards have to work in Office boxes, many of these things don't have secondary fans, and if they do, the case is so full of dust in a month or 2 that it doesn't matter...

The chips may run hot...
many might want to cool them.. so be it...
Doesn't mean I have to believe it like the bible... I have doubts about your motives, I'm sure it's not the first time anyone has doubt your motives...
And does it matter? Not in the least.... what do you care if I think there is a util. out or coming out that you know of??

I understand this sort of thing can put the BBz in a precarious position, people relaying this supposition as fact... But when you mod'ed your P. and showed off in here you had no idea that these questions would arise??

Anyways,
thanks for the info and your experience...
Craig

[GT98]

Originally posted by TDB

I certainly expect this card to run stable at stock speeds with stock cooling, are there some nasty overheating problems with this card.

I think people are looking into this too much, some times the BBz "strech the truth" when it comes to new stuff when it comes to Matrox. I remember when DocM was showing off some IRQ screen shots and some of them where blanked out and had a G400MAX+classified in his sig. He also went on to say it wasn't a Matrox product in another post, but if I'm not mistaken it turned out to be the new Matrox RT.X100. Just read inbetween the lines and don't make accuations to the BBz about what they are doing and you'll do fine.

I think we should add to the FAQ...read between the lines and keep your comments to yourself based on what you see to a point...