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  • #1

    About current situation

    Talking about Matrox, at this moment, is a little bit difficult for me. Much of us, regularly, chage their own video card for the simple reason that we needs to have the must impressive, powerfull hardware circulating in the world. I think that the video card is a primary need of the today Big Computer Peaple community. For people like me that adore powerfull g-chip without quality compromise and stability there are no change at this time to choose a good vendor. Ati quality is poor compared with Matrox Image Quality and driver stability. Same words for the Nvidia parts. The lack of information regarding future products are became a big mountain to move (is something related to the faith???) . I keep in mind that Matrox are in late compared with the rivals. The development of new technology, now, is a point to reach every time the situation change. Microsoft have a lot to do with "Avalon" DX10 and extended shader operation. Other os's are looking new ways for displaying graphics (vector, voxel rendering, real time ray-tracing). What Matrox are planning to stay in the game? Will Matrox stay in the game?. I suggest to Matrox to implement new technology and innovating in the manner that Matrox can do. 28 years of innovation is not a reason to stop and look the past glory. Matrox must look forward, in the future, and continue to give us excellent product.
    Just a tip: wath about to implement in hardware a technology like the f-prime rendering? This rendering really optimized software really rocks. Imagine what can be done in hardware...

    Don't criticize, please, just comment to talk in this hot summer...

    Ciao
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  • #2
    Does it need to be said yet again?

    I've got a thought, AB just toss them $100m (minimum investment) and see what they can do
    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Seuss

    "Always do good. It will gratify some and astonish the rest." ~Mark Twain

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    • #3
      Re: About current situation

      Originally posted by Amiga Blitter
      Don't criticize, please, just comment to talk in this hot summer...
      In Poland summer is very cold. Rain, cold wind etc. The same cold as Matrox news...
      A CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just 4 hours...

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      • #4
        That's because M closed their offices in Boca Raton Florida... wonder how many of those guys work for ATi in Orlando now
        "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -- Dr. Seuss

        "Always do good. It will gratify some and astonish the rest." ~Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Re: Re: About current situation

          Originally posted by Nicram
          In Poland summer is very cold. Rain, cold wind etc. The same cold as Matrox news...
          And don't forget The Netherlands brrrrrrr

          Bacznozc ;-)
          Peter Aragon
          Matrox Parhelia 128 Retail, Iiyama VisionMaster Pro 454, Asus P4C800 Deluxe, Pentium IV 2.8 GHz 800 MHz FSB, Maxtor 120GB S-ATA, 512MB Mem, SB Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro, Gigaworks S750 speakers, AOpen DVD-R, Pioneer 16x DVD-106, 3COM 905C Networkcard.

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          • #6
            It's been plainly said too many times to count that there is nothing new on the horizon for Matrox other than rehashes of existing tech, tuned for specific markets (none of the gaming).
            Perhaps a Parhelia/Pxxx based PCI-E card if we're lucky.
            There will be no new chip until at least Longhorn, and even then it's not going to be anything ground breaking.
            Core2 Duo E7500 2.93, Asus P5Q Pro Turbo, 4gig 1066 DDR2, 1gig Asus ENGTS250, SB X-Fi Gamer ,WD Caviar Black 1tb, Plextor PX-880SA, Dual Samsung 2494s

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            • #7
              There will be something big coming soon™ after my coronation as Queen of England.

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              • #8
                I was thinking many times about Matrox currend play with users. I understand that Matrox got many customers couse they got monopol for many special market shares like support for 9MP flat panels etc. But on long distance... The users that willask friends for cards for ther specialised things they will not hear MAtrox couse.. Matrox will be not remembered ... So, if I will not say to my friend that Matrox got something nice for him.. he will buy ATI or Nvidia, even if Matrox will got better card for him. Matrox will die ;(
                A CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just 4 hours...

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                • #9
                  OK. Matrox will not die (Matrox Video solutions, Matrox Imaging, & Matrox MED series cards for hospitals).. But it will don't got money for new technologies... this is the last chance for Matrox, or it will take many times to get the same situation on market.
                  A CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just 4 hours...

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                  • #10
                    No... the last chance for Matrox was the Parhelia... Any "high end" attempt that they have from here on out is likely to be regarded in the same light that S3 is. The only thing that was really forward looking about the Parhelia was the fact it had a ton of transistors dedicated towards texturing and pixel shaders, and the fact it can do a hardware overlay on each screen when used in Dual-Head.
                    "And yet, after spending 20+ years trying to evolve the user interface into something better, what's the most powerful improvement Apple was able to make? They finally put a god damned shell back in." -jwz

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DGhost
                      No... the last chance for Matrox was the Parhelia... Any "high end" attempt that they have from here on out is likely to be regarded in the same light that S3 is.
                      Things are sometimes more complicated than they seem to be... is a Rolls Royce total crap because it doesn´t reach the speed of a Porsche? I´m sure if you take a standard 3D games freak away from his super expensice Gforce and put him in front of a machine with a Parhelie, I really don´t know if he really would see much difference, he may just wonder why he had such a blurry image before....
                      Image quality and other stuff has always been more important to Matrox than benchmarks. I guess the NVidia people are the ones who would say Rolls Royce is crap...
                      I think the bigger issue for Matrox is disregard of its customers and not bad technology.
                      The PArhelia may be fine and more than enough for many people but you really have to pay a lot for what it offers. And as a Linux user I´m angry that with each card released after the G400 Matrox has decreased Linux/open source support step by step.
                      Now I may have to change to NVidia, not because they make cards that much better, but because they have better support for the OS I use and they have cards for a reasonable price.

                      So I really think it´s not the lack of good technology, it´s disregard and unbelievable arrogance. If Matrox thinks it makes "elitist" cards for people who know what they need then Matrox should care about them, they have a reputation to lose. Otherwise I don´t know why one should by Matrox. They need my money, I don´t need them, I can buy somewhere else.
                      If Matrox can survive just by selling some cards to McDondalds or Hospitals and some OEMs, fine for them, but incredibly poor for a company that once thought it was one of the technology leaders. NVidia now dominates a big piece of the market and one day they will conquer the last niche Matrox needed to survive... my prediction is in a few years from now Matrox will be history. Unfortunately.

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                      • #12
                        Honestly, if you were to take a 3d games freak (or even a n00b) away from his ATI or NVidia and put him in front of a Parhelia, he might wonder why textures are corrupt, there are z-fighting issues, possibly why it in general looks like ass and runs slower, or why it won't work because their drivers do not work with applications that require a DX9 driver...

                        Of course, the average person might have wondered why they could not get a $400 card to run two different LCD's at different resolutions if they purchased an original core Parhelia. or why the BIOS screen is corrupt when it boots up if you have a BIOS boot logo enabled.

                        Matrox's days of being the "Cadillac of Graphics cards" died when they decided to produce the G450 as their flagship "next generation" graphics card. The Parhelia was another (and perhaps final to many potential customers) nail in the coffin.

                        Image quality on the Parhelia has been thought of as worse than the previous generation of cards. the last card they had that produced "legendary" TV output quality was the G400/MAX. the Parhelia has enough internal design problems that it should not have shipped. period. the rest of the market has caught up to them in terms of quality and has passed them in a number of ways. there is no way they could be a Rolls Royce anymore...
                        Last edited by DGhost; 16 July 2004, 00:10.
                        "And yet, after spending 20+ years trying to evolve the user interface into something better, what's the most powerful improvement Apple was able to make? They finally put a god damned shell back in." -jwz

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                        • #13
                          sad....so sad....
                          "They say that dreams are real only as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"

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                          • #14
                            What really breaks my heart, is that the Parhelia could have been really great with just a little more work.

                            Parhelia had twice the memory bandwith as nVidia when it came out, but it didn't use any data compression. nVida did, and could move just as much image data as the Parhelia with half the speed.

                            And the driver situation is a sad thing whatever they say. It might be stabile, but the Matrox drivers had had lots of bugs and shortcomings since the G400 days, and it took ages for Matrox to do something about them. And they never release any information on what's fixed in the new drivers. So you never know for sure.

                            But still.... I will buy the next Matrox card. Having a ATI or nVida card just doesn't feel right with me..

                            Twilight

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                            • #15
                              ay... same here... but what if Matrox does go bely up like its been already sudgested?
                              "They say that dreams are real only as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"

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