Galvin's Problems

[Gurm]

Galvin:

If you needed to turn off PnP to make Win2k work, you have more problems than we can go into. My advice:

Step 1: Backup.
Step 2: Turn PnP on, make sure all your BIOS settings are ok.
Step 3: Reinstall Win2k in ACPI mode.

Then see how things work out. If Win2k is already in ACPI mode but your bios is set to non-pnp you are totally screwed as things stand.

- Gurm

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Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.

[Galvin]

Well I had people tell me to turn off PnP OS in the BIOS this was coming from win2K people that know a lot about win2K. So all you're suggestion will do is screw my system over even more. Lets move on to something else. Thanks.

[Galvin]

Originally posted by Gurm:
Galvin:

If you needed to turn off PnP to make Win2k work, you have more problems than we can go into. My advice:

Step 1: Backup.
Step 2: Turn PnP on, make sure all your BIOS settings are ok.
Step 3: Reinstall Win2k in ACPI mode.

Then see how things work out. If Win2k is already in ACPI mode but your bios is set to non-pnp you are totally screwed as things stand.

- Gurm

Actually ACPI is not an option on 815E boards it automatically selects ACPI. 2nd this corruption existed when I freshly installed my win2K over the summer.

[dZeus]

If you want to try Win2k in non-ACPI mode, do the following:

Run the win2k setup (I always do by booting of the win2k cdrom). Right in the beginning it says 'press f6 to load SCSI drivers or other drivers....' or something very similar. Press F5 instead a few times when that shows up. A few moments later you will get a list from which you can select a normal pc in stead of a ACPI pc.

However, I doubt if that is your problem, because the Intel i815 chipset should support ACPI without a single problem. Flash your BIOS with the latest version just to be sure, and ACPI should not be your problem.

Oh, and I agree with Gurm that you should turn on PnP OS in the BIOS. It can't do any harm at all.... if Win2k uses ACPI, then I doubt that it will even make a single difference. However, maybe your BIOS goes fubar when ACPI is on and PnP is off... just give enabling it a try...

[Galvin]

The deal with PnP OS when on is if you ever take out one card or move a card it messes up all the IRQ's. So I went onto IRC undernet went into windows2000 channel and asked, they said to turn off PnP OS for win2K, causes less problems.

[Gurm]

The IRC people are hackers. They do "workarounds". We aren't shooting for a workaround here, we're trying to make your board work correctly. If you do what we say, we can get your board set up correctly, installed correctly, with NOTHING disabled, working properly.

But if you don't want to listen to us, that's fine. I "know a lot about win2k". Honest. I've only been beta-testing MS products since the very first Chicago beta (before it was even called Chicago, when it was just "windows 4").

Trust us here, Galvin. The average IRC weenie is 18, and a sophomore in college, buying parts with daddy's money. I've been building PC's since the mid-80's, and programming for 20 years. Many people here have the same or better credentials. We know our shit.

So now you have to make a choice - get it working RIGHT by doing what we tell you ("or taking our advice", if that makes you feel better about it), or bitch about how it doesn't work and insist that there's a solution that involves something mythical.

Let us know, ok? We do honestly want to help, usually.

- Gurm

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Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.

[Galvin]

I can give it a try, you may have indirectly started war with irc users though, LOL
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Ok I changed to PnP os to ON it didn't change any of the IRQ's though. Here is the list
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IRQ Number Device
9 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
9 Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English
9 Creative SB Live! (WDM)
9 3Com EtherLink XL 10/100 PCI NIC (3C905-TX)
9 Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller - 2442
9 Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller - 2444
8 System CMOS/real time clock
13 Numeric data processor
6 Standard floppy disk controller
4 Communications Port (COM1)
1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
10 Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM SMBus Controller - 2443
14 Ultra ATA Channel
15 Ultra ATA Channel
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But doing it this way can mean a lot of IRQ's changing if I remove or change one of my PCI/AGP cards which I rarely do.

[This message has been edited by Galvin (edited 14 December 2000).]

[Rags]

I agree with Gurm here. There is an underlying within your system if you have PNP OS turned off to get it to work in win2k. This tells me you may have ACPI problems with your motherboard or one of your devices. I would tend to believe it's the motherboard in this case. From the list you gave us, your win2k install is in ACPI mode. You obviously have problems with this mode, what you can do is reinstall the OS in the Standard PC HAL, or look for a BIOS update that fixes ACPI issues with your motherboard.

Rags

[Galvin]

What issues, my mainboard is fine costed me $160. I am using PnP OS turned on now. You guys I am not the only one that gets texture corruption, one person has a website about the bugs in the drivers. I assume you're testing this in multiplayer quake3 and not single player ?

[Rags]

Assuming means one thing, and it's not usually good.

This is in both multiplayer and single player.

So you were mistaken when you posted this:

Actually I turned it off to solve problems.
Turning it on will only cause me more problems.

Hmmm. you seem to contradict yourself. You aren't alone with your problems with win2k (in ACPI) and your motherboard.


Looks like you are not willing to think your problems out.

Rags

[Galvin]

The problem is if I was to remove a PCI card all the irq's will shift around, causing me to have to reinstall my SBlive drivers because liveware can't deal with IRQ changes.
not just PCI cards being moved around can cause the problem as well, if I turn off an comport or something else that is using an IRQ then that can also cause different IRQ's to be assigned to my devices causing possible reinstall of some of them.

So turning PnP os off was easier when it came to moving PCI cards around in my system.
Or turning off comports or other IRQ devices. So yes PnP os off is much easier and causes fewer problems.

Did turning PnP os to on get rid of the artifacts no, am I the only one that gets artifacts in quake3, no. The best thing I could do if it's still possible is get a replacement card from matrox and see if the problem goes away.


[This message has been edited by Galvin (edited 14 December 2000).]

[Rags]

Galvin,

No one said that setting PNP OS to on will fix the texture corruption.

*sigh*

Let me explain (warning: deductive reasoning is involved).
1. You are getting problems with texture corruption that others are not. I have not seen everyone say yah, I have all of those on my system as of yet. You are amongst the minority.
2. You cannot use (properly) a function in your BIOS under win2k in which it NEEDS to function the way you currently have it set up.

Because you are experiencing 1., you should be looking at getting your system properly set up to be sure it's not a driver problem, and since you SHOULD be looking at setting up your system properly, you should be looking at 2. very carefully. Gurm has told you how to take care of 2., but it looks like you won't listen (big surprise). So I have no doubt you will be experiencing 1. for some time until you do decide that there is a preference of order in setting up a computer system to run problem free (or as close to as possible).

Rags

[Galvin]

Ok answer this how come when I had my Radeon in my system I saw ZERO texture corruption all I did was uninstall the matrox drivers, shut down take the card out, place the radeon card in install it's drivers, and presto no quake3 artifacts. But as you know I wasn't happy with the Radeon drivers so I uninstalled the drivers, shutdown, then installed the G400 and the artifacts were back.

[Joel]

Hasn't anyone told you that Win2K is not a good gaming OS?

[Galvin]

Yes but new games keep coming out that say windows 2000 supported