ant says no G800 announcement soon

[samson]

matrox was trying to get the g450 out before summer,it looks like their about 4-6 months off target.i just bought the g400 -it plays well-not outstanding-one thing i noticed was the incredible color-even in 16 bit.i needed dualhead and from what i hear of nvidias offering-its poopy.so big deal if their late,im sure matrox will implement all the direct x8 stuff and do it better than ati-with the incredible 2d and color!go matrox!!(p.s. im canadian)

[Greebe]

Storm, I said G200... yah that was the most expensive Gcard I ever bought. NOT!

And just how much is that DVD module? Umm $90 ?(I'm guessing, Tim help me out here with an actual price)

[Storm]

Yup, and as you Didn't notice, I said "would be" considered a rip off. They didn't release it for the G400 of course. iDCT and motion compensation will become very important as resolutions scale up. It would be better to have a videocard capable of doing that than having to buy a faster new system. There is currently no way of previewing an HD stream on your computer without loading it into ram uncompressed. MPEG-2 + 1920x1080 = very slow. Matrox is the king of 2D. It'd be nice if video was a part of that package.

Rags, it depends on what you like. I personally prefer features over speed, though the latter has to be above a certain mark (30fps for me). I don't care much for 165fps, but I *do* like all kinds of things you can tweak and play around with. nVidia is just another card manufacturer that's after speed. I think there has to be a balance between features, speed and price, that's all. The G800 should be just that.

[superfly]

The features that any video card has are only part of the reason why video cards are purchased by consumers.

Do you think that Nvidias cards would have been 1/10th as popular if they weren't much faster than anyone else's???,not a chance in hell.

If A company can cram a lot of extra features,that won't get used for some time still,while making the card much faster than the competition,why woudn't gamers buy it???

Ask anyone why they bought their Geforce or radion cards and all of them will say it's mostly the speed at wich these cards handle any current game,it's as simple as that.

And here's a game that will released in roughly 2 months,that will push the Geforce's capabilities to the limit.

The developer has stated that anyone would be lucky to break 30 fps with all the graphics cranked on a Geforce 2

Here's the site www.grin.se/balistics/default.htm .

[DuRaNgO]

just in time for the G8xx
jim

[Joel]

Geesh, I swear, after listening to some of you whine about the cost of computer componets, I can tell that some of y'all have not been into computing for very long. I remember when I bought a 120MB (yes I said mega bytes) hard drive to upgrade from the 42MB I had at the time and spent alittle over $300.00. The first Matrox card I bought, a Millennium I with 2MB of WRAM, $325.00. And an 8MB 72pin memory module was $300.00 after a $50.00 mail-in rebate. So when I bought my 8MB Millennium G200 for $149.00 and then the 8MB memory upgrade module for $50.00 and saw what it could do, I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Geesh! guys get a grip. Computer componets are cheap in comparision to what they once were and more powerful to boot.

Joel

[Joel]

And superfly it would be nice if you would include a link that works.

Joel

[superfly]

Rags,this has nothing to do with the difference between two cards that are very fast,but one's slightly faster than the other.

What it has to do with is one card staring to show it's age,and it's rivals are moving on.

Once that magic point is reached where the game(any game)is playing very well(above 60 fps)with all options enabled,i coudn't care less if another card can do twice the frame rate,because the gaming experience is smooth on both of them.

So what if a card maker has a six month product line,if their existing card kicks *** in absolutely every game you can think of and has enough sheer grunt to get the job done for at least another year,theres no real need to upgrade that fast,unless the user want's the fastest thing available each time the maker decides to release something faster.

And the original Geforce didn't have pixel shaders,or the extra texture units that the Geforce 2 has.

By the way did you see that unreal tecnology demo showing what T.l can do???,it looked freaking amazing,you gotta see it for yourself.

And the best part was that it was running on a Geforce2 in real time at about 30 fps,showing outdoor scenes made up of 100.000 polys per frame,it looked incredible.

[superfly]

sorry,it's www.grin.se/ballistics/default.htm .

[Rags]

Pixel Shaders are nothing but a software trick. The original GeSpot can do the same things if they applied them, it's just that the original GeSpot didn't have the thoroughput to get it done without serious slowdowns. All they have done is beefed up the original GeSpot. There is absolutely nothing new added to the mix, just a GeSpot with a new camshaft

Like I said before, show me where the games are that benefit from T&L. Demo movies, synthetic benchmarks, and nvidia marketing don't do much for me. I use my video card, and I don't see much being said for the GeSpot other than it's fast. Whoopeeeee! Of course the GeSpot is faster than the G400 and G450. We aren't talking about the G400 and G450, now are we? Let's re-read the thread and get a grasp on what the discussion is about, shall we? We are referring to the G800. You seem to agree with me that the GeSpot 2 is plenty fast for what we need to do, right? So, by using that logic, why would the G800, if it's released in the near future need to be faster or much faster than the GeSpot 2, much less the the GeSpot-2-ultra-super-duper-deluxe-NV2001-the-card-that-makes-contact? If Matrox brings to the table useful features again, and a decently fast card again, it should be fine AFAIC.

Like I said before, if you are the type of guy who NEEDS to have a couple of fps faster than your buddy, because you have some inferiority complex, get a GeSpot 2.65 ultra pro yippee skippee. It will make you piss farther, too. Trust me

Rags

[superfly]

I'm sure that the G800 will be an awsome card,easily being compared to the Geforce 2 and holding it's own quite well.

But,like a said before,if a user has no preference for any particular brand of video card and is looking to upgrade to something faster,and if the G800 get's released only in a few months time where,like it or not,it may have to compete with even more advanced cards than what is available now.

I know,you know and many others know that the G800 will be a great card,but the question is,will it be enough to to go up against it's competitors???

Everyone always looks for the best price/performance when it comes to everything they purchase,and it's no different in this case.

If 2 cards are reasonably close in terms of price(say 50$,more or less)and if one is quite a bit faster than the other,if your main use for it is gaming and you have no preference for who makes it,which one would you pick???.

[Rags]

Apparently you haven't read, because if you had, you would see that if gaming were my number one priority, and I were to get a new card, the GeForce would probably fit the bill. But I don't believe most people put games as their number one priority. Most have work to get done on their computers.

Rags

[superfly]

I apreciate your honesty in the matter,and i agree that a lot of people use their systems for things other than handling 3d work.

But you'd have to agree that cards that excel mostly in 2d work and watching dvd's are alredy common place.

The only big selling point where there still is a lot of room to grow is in 3d,either on the creation side or just enjoying games.

That's the main reason why card makers are releasing new cards,no?.

if 3d isn't an issue,then we'd never need anything better than a G400,it excels at everything else.

[DuRaNgO]

As anyone who has played with/against me in UT knows, I'm a gamer in the first degree

When I chose to upgrade to the G400, I wanted a card that was fast enough to play the "games of the day"

However, I also wanted something with a little more

With the features available on the G400 were release, (EMBM, Dualhead, good DVD support) that's what made my decision

And today, my suped up G400 "vanilla" beats the crXp out of nVidea's last chip TNT2 Ultra

So which card would I buy if I had this knowledge back then?

The G400.

That's why the features that the G800 will have are as important as being the fastest when it first debutes

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[This message has been edited by DuRaNgO (edited 18 September 2000).]

[Storm]

Rags definitely has a point. Games aren't usually the #1 priority for people, and the Gx00 series makes sure to satisfy everyone. DualHead is an amazing feature that's widely used. EMBM is a bit behind, but it's still supported better than T&L.

Image quality is something Matrox will always be known for. Can you even imagine the G800 having Better quality over G400 which is already perfect? I'd buy the card just for that. I need solid Win2k OpenGL support with the first drivers however. I hope Matrox delivers that on time.