Puzzled about fish

[spoogenet]

3. Cheese - made from small animals (bacteria). So small animals are ok? How small must the animal be for it to be OK to eat it? Less than an inch? Less than a micron? I'd love to hear your standard!

Don't drink the water!!!!.....it might have bacteria in it and you will forfeit your vegeterianism.

Do bacteria really count as animals? I've never really given it any thought and now you have aroused my curiosity......so do they? I guess they're not really plants, or are they?

What is it about red wines that makes them non veggie that doesn't apply to whites? And why is Heineken non veggie?

Black bean burgers are also nice.

b

[dave m]

Bacteria are members of the plant kingdom.

Dave

a confirmed carnivore who only eats vegetables because they're good for me

[Wombat]

Gurm, I hope some of that was just teasing. Eggs as little dead animals? You're smarter than that. And bacteria?

[Gurm]

No, I'm not kidding.

If you don't eat meat because you believe that it is "healthier", then that's one thing. But if you don't eat meat because it's cruel to kill animals, then how can you justify eating unborn baby animals? Or killing the smallest of our "animal brothers"?

I mean, seriously. There has to be a point at which you say "dammit, there's a difference between sentient and non-sentient lifeforms", and decide that it's ok to eat the non-sentient ones.

OR... you could swear off EVERYTHING. Your choice. But you CANNOT tell me it's ok to kill bacteria, protozoans, amoebae, and flagellates but NOT birds, fish, and cows. That's absurdly hypocritical. So what defines your moral gauge? You can kill any invertebrates? Or maybe it's the SIZE that matters, right? So very small animals are ok to kill... 'cuz we're bigger?

- Gurm

[Jorden]

Originally posted by Gurm
1. Milk - Jord, hate to break it to you (and anyone else who responded to this), but after being pasteurized and homogenized milk is a pale blue color. Nobody would drink it - it just looks too gross. Therefore, they add emulsifiers to make it frothy and white again. Every industrialized nation does it. And the primary component in these emulsifiers is a gross little bottom-feeding fish that is both non-kosher and non-vegetarian. Yuck. The only way you would NOT have this is if your milk comes straight from the cow to you, passing perhaps through a hot vat. Most places don't do it that way.

Why is milk white?

[A] Milk contains Casein. It's the milk protein that is rich in calcium and it is white. The cream in milk has some fat which is also white. Its presence in the milk makes the milk whiter. Low and non-fat milk has less cream and may appear less white.

Our eyes see white because some objects do not absorb very much light. They reflect the light. Objects that are blue, for instance, reflect only blue light and absorb the other colors of light in the spectrum. The molecules that make up Casein and creme reflect light. That's why milk is white.

http://www.moomilk.com/faq.htm

Go read up on your milk

Jord.

[Chris Blake]

Gurm

You’re not killing unborn animals when you eat eggs. They're unfertilized. They're not going to grow up to be anything.

Eating bacteria isn't a choice thing, since we have millions of them
living in our gut anyway.

You're right, you have to draw the line somewhere, my girlfriend defines hers as "I don't eat anything that has a face". You can knock some holes in this argument but it's about 99% spot-on.

[Chris Blake]

spoogenet

It's all to do with "fining", which refers to the stuff they add in final stages of brewing to clear the last of the sediment before bottling. “Finings” are traditionally made from extracts of fish swim bladders.

White wine doesn't always need fining but red usually does. There are alternatives to fish derived finings but they’re not used in red wine. I guess they don’t work as well. The non-fish derived fining are used by most beer brewers these days but not all. Heineken still use fish derived.

[Wombat]

Considering eggs "unborn animals" is ludicrious. Bacteria are definitely non-sentient. Sometimes you have to worry about the more evolved animals though. Cats and dogs, dolphins.... it's all a big mess.

But considering bacteria something that should be avoided in a diet is insane. You have thousands of species of bacteria living and dying in your digestive tract.

[Wulfman]

I can really tell you that they don't add any emulsifier here in austria, at least not in our "normal" pasteurised milk.

just out of curiosity: how long can you store your milk, under what conditions and how is it packaged?

mfg
wulfman

[dave m]

Bacteria ARE plants, so that knocks that one dead, I posted this earlier so I don't know why you're still arguing about it, unless it's just for the hell of it

And as for the bacteria living and dying in your gut, spot on, up to 25% of fecal matter (by dry weight) are self grown intestinal flora-bacteria that is.

Dave

[The PIT]

Oh my Gawd I've started a flame war about being a veggie.

Does my friend thinks she's eating cabbage when shes eating fish? I'll ask her. I think her real problem is that she sees innocent animals in the fields and feels guilty/ill about eating them. Why she doesn't feel the same about fish only she knows.

Eggs are infertile. Yes most are but occainsionally you get one with the beginnings of a chick growing in one.

Amazing 100 posts on the subject.

[Wombat]

TP,
We NEVER get eggs with a chick in them, unless maybe you buy from small farms. You need a rooster's help to get a chick in an egg, and there aren't any in those big egg firms.

[The PIT]

Funny how people always know whats on your plate. Belief me or not we've had them. Could be something to do with buying free range.

[Paddy]

If you see a red spec in the yolk of an egg then its fertilized.

Farmers may not have both hens and roosters on the same farm, but I reckon those free range hens get about a bit.

Chris Blake: I was informed by a veggie that all other beers are filtered through a fish product at some point in time. But then what would she know, she's a veggie...

[RedRed]

Battery farms dont have Cocks on them. Free range ones do. My uncle owned a small holding.
You cannot get free range hens to lay without them occasionally 'getting one'. Their cycle will slow dramatically.

Battery farms are different because they cycle the lighting to confuse the hens metabolism into thinking days have passed, therefore though their cycle slows, its net result is unaffected.

Bacteria and fungi are neither plant nor animal, but a philus of their own.

http://phylogeny.arizona.edu/tree/life.html

Finings for bear, btw, can be made from powered glass as well. This is the most expensive way to produce the effect, however, and is usually used only in small scale production.

btw Grum - you are correct, however its not really blue, more of a fine blue tint to the milk. This occours by exception, however and not to all milk. It is a result of artifical hormones breaking down. The bulk of dairy cows in europe are not hormonally treated to increase milk&mass, and there fore do not suffer from this problem.

Regards
RedRed