Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers

[moreau]

I feel you folks have summarized many of my feelings on the moview quite correctly, but I couldn't resist my 2 cents.

Chalk me up for the following:

Movie was EXCELLENT. Probably is about as well as can be done, given the depth and bredth of the books, and many of our passion for the written versions.

All with few exceptions of the changes the movie have to make are acceptable. Most disagreements I has are quibbles. On the plus side, I thought Boromir's death scene was actually quite emotive and well done, thanks to the changes made.

I thought Galadriel's scene at the Mirror was a little flat, with poorly executed special effects. This scene, especially in light of the stories in the Silmarillian, is very important.

Nonetheless, excellent movie in its own right. Ian McKellan is the poster child of a cast that actually acted, unlike so many sci-fi/fantasy movies.

Cheers...

[Lizzard[MPE]]

Originally posted by Gurm

Actually, in truth I always presumed that Saruman had ordered his orcs to lock Gandalf on top of the tower. But that's just me.
- Gurm

i'm not sure if this point has already been made because i havent read through all the pages of this thread.. will in a few seconds..

but anyway Jas,

Saruman could not have ordered his orcs to lock Gandolf up because the orcs had no powers to do so. the only one that could try and stop Gandolf is Saruman himself.

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by Gurm
Drizzt,

The Balrog was 100% right. What was "wrong" about it?

- Gurm

Size, aspect and the wings.

[Guru]

Originally posted by Drizzt


Size, aspect and the wings.

Hope you are not comparing to a Balrog from some old AD&D book!

[Wombat]

Another vote: the balrog was perfect.

[BuddMan]

Originally posted by Wombat
Oh, and a nitpicky thing that I hated just because I don't understand why they needed to change it: in the books, humans never got their hands on the Ring, but in the movie didn't Boromir pick it up when Frodo lost it in the snow? Boromir would have never withstood the temptation.

Well, in the book Gandalf handles the ring when Bilbo leaves and he does not handle it at all in the movie. Boromir never actually handles the ring in the movie though, he just picks up the chain that it's on (if you want to get technical ).

[Gurm]

Size was fine, aspect was fine, and wings were fine. There is a "no wings for balrogs" camp, but they have precious little to go on. Tolkien describes this balrog as immense, filling the room, and having wings. *shrug*

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As for Saruman's orcs... well, Gandalf in physical "grey" form had very little physical power. If he really weren't afraid of orcs, he never would have run from them in Moria, now would he?

- Gurm

[SpiralDragon]

the book is great.... when i saw the movie i thought there was more missing than just the omitions.... and to me that was the spirit of the book..... but all that aside i thought the movie was good... could have been better but i thought i was satisfied... actualy i only felt satisfied weeks after seeing it for the first time.... when i saw it for the first time i felt disapointed....

[Lizzard[MPE]]

Originally posted by Gurm
As for Saruman's orcs... well, Gandalf in physical "grey" form had very little physical power. If he really weren't afraid of orcs, he never would have run from them in Moria, now would he?

- Gurm

can you ever admit you are wrong jas?

[TdB]

Saruman could not have ordered his orcs to lock Gandolf up because the orcs had no powers to do so. the only one that could try and stop Gandolf is Saruman himself.

Gandalf isn´t that powerfull, there is no way he could fight his way through Sarumans entire orc-army.

well, technically he might be, but it wouldn´t be an option for him, being a member of the wizard order, means that his job is to study(in gandalfs case, hobbits).
He is mainly a catalysator, who helps the mortals evolve in the right direction, not a superhero.
I don´t think he is allowed to make political changes by himself, by slaying Sarumans entire army.

I could be wrong as I said, I haven´t read silmarilion(not all of it atleast).

[Wombat]

As for Saruman's orcs... well, Gandalf in physical "grey" form had very little physical power. If he really weren't afraid of orcs, he never would have run from them in Moria, now would he?

I didn't think it was lack of power as much as fear of detection. Without giving too much away, there certainly were things to be hidden from Sauron.

[KvHagedorn]

I thought the Balrog was perfect. What was stupid was Ian McKellen standing there FOREVER hamming it up as Mr. Balrog approaches, speaking VERY slowly about "this... is... a.. demon.. of.. the..ancient..world..." FINALLY getting to the part where he says "this... foe... is.. beyond.. any.. of ... you............... RUN!"

He spends a whole minute at least hamming it up as the thing advances on them, while they could all have been running. Even the orcs had more sense!

[Lizzard[MPE]]

hahaha

[BuddMan]

It's called drama.

[Technoid]

I also thought it was stupid!

But they always stands still to just before the big slow monster bites them in the a** in movies....