Whos too blame ???

[The PIT]

Okay whos too blame for declining standards of law and order?

[Indiana]

If the choice had existed I'd have voted 1., 2. and 4.
As this was not possible, I voted for 4. You didn't have a specific person in mind when putting this "dogooders" point in there, did you?

[SpiralDragon]

all parties concerned.... so i did not vote....

[borat]

well primarily the buck must stop with the parents as they teach us our morals and right from wrong but as many parents today dont know right from wrong this is difficult though tougher penalties for parents with problem children could go someway to rectify this - parents should be responsible for there kids, now the doogooders are next in line i would say as they influence the government into making laws criminal freindly under the false impresion that all criminals will become reformed after being told off, would be nice but it doesnt happen like that. next the police are to blame as they seem disinterested in catching real criominals and more intent on persueing mostly law abiding citizens but this could be becuase of the demorolisation of the doogooders, as for teachers they are really powerless in our society as they have few powers and this sort of trouble tends to manifest itself ouside of school. it is my belief that a firm government with harsher penalties could oerride the work of the doogooders bring power back to the police and deter people from comiting such crime by holding parents responsible for there kids they chose to have them so should be prepared to deal with the consequences.

[Joel]

I don't fully disagree with you but as a parent I sometimes feel that I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

I feel that some want to punish me for not disciplining my children, just because they do something wrong, claiming that if I had taught them right then they would not have done wrong, while at the same time there are others who want to punish me if I do discipline my children, for doing wrong, cliaming that I am abusing them.

I do agree that there is a fine line between discipline and abuse but it is the dogooders who have erased that line and makes it look like any disciplining is abuse. It is also the dogooders who have made it so that when someone does wrong then it is not their fault but someone elses.

Joel

[ayoub_ibrahim]

I blame global warming!

[RichL]

Acid rain.

[Dogbert]

Joel,

Parents are to blame. If your kids do something *very* wrong under the influence of their friends - which means it's not your fault, it's still the parents fault. Their friend's parents are to blame.

Education is nearing extintion. People teach their kids, and the education system teaches as well, almost nobody educates nowdays.

The people who are supposed to educate a child the most are his parents, not his school teacher or whatever. Once children are well educated, they'll be better teachers / policemen / politicians etc. The problem is that you need to have a license in order to drive, but you need no license to breed and ruin the lives of your and other people's children.

So, if your children are accused of anything serious, it might not be your fault, but it's very much likely to be some other parent's fault.

[Admiral]

human nature ?

[Greebe]

Joel is well aware of the complexities that face parents today. I can say it's NOT his children that are the problem but others. He's stating what is the problem for most parents today from the American perspective.

[leech]

It's the shitty food we all eat driving us all nuts! The brain needs nutrition just like the rest of the body. And eating at McDonalds all the time is poisoning our youth. Down with shitty food! Eat some vegetables you damn crazy ingrates!

Leech

[GT98]

I think its socities fault. I used to work for a school system in a fairly well to do area of my state (avg house was about half million dollars, but considering I'm in NJ, with very limited room and high incomes that equals out too about half that in most parts of the USA) and one of the common complants was that the teachers felt more like babysitters then teachers, due to the parents not being home and being too busy working keeping up with the Jones etc. I Personally have nothing good to say per say about School Adminstrations (nearly everything done their is about internal polictics but thats another rant in itself), I know for one once I have kids, I want to raise them the right way and not depend on Socity to rasise them for me, which might have different values then what my I or my spouse believe in, but thats also weighted agaist having a good income to provide for my family and living in an area that has a good school system (see above)...more or less a vicuous circle that I haven't found a good way out of as of yet...but also haven't put much thought into since I'm not in that stage of life yet.

[Indiana]

Originally posted by leech
It's the shitty food we all eat driving us all nuts! The brain needs nutrition just like the rest of the body. And eating at McDonalds all the time is poisoning our youth. Down with shitty food! Eat some vegetables you damn crazy ingrates!

Leech

Actually, solely eating vegetables is the worst thing you can do to your brain. The brain needs B12, Folsäure and some other things that nearly only can be found in meat. The human nature is not to be a vegetarian and it is unhealthy to do so. (However I do agree that nowadays most people are eating much too much meat which is not heathy as well).

There already were some of these greenish ecologist women that only ate vegetables and similar while pregnant, causing severe non-recoverable brain damages to their newborn children. I would put those to court for child abuse!

[Wulfman]

Originally posted by Indiana


Actually, solely eating vegetables is the worst thing you can do to your brain. The brain needs B12, Folsäure and some other things that nearly only can be found in meat.

woops, sorry to correct you here:

folsäure can be found in vergetables & cereal products.

B12 is contained in yeast (and therefor in beer, in germany a source you shouldn't disregard), milk and in "sauerkraut" 'cause of the bacteria that fermented it.

to come back to the topic: imho mainly because of the parents and the decisions they make. and of course the consumption of different media...

mfg
wulfman

[borat]

yes joel i agree all kid to wrong stuff but there is a distinction between wrong and totally taboo things which by the time they are old enough to do should know that they really are wrong, parents cant stop their kids having fights or doing childish things every know and then but they should be able to stop them burning down buildings.