When.....

[Dogbert]

Palestinians ~ Hizbollah.

Tha main core of the Hizbollah are Palestinian 'refugees' in south Lebanon.


Funny that the Palestinians never 'uprised' against the Egyptians and Jordanians that ruled over them before 67 and treated them much worse than Israel ever did.
You're right though. Israel should have never given them education or whatsoever. Now that they got a little educated (unlike before 67) they learned how to operate weapons and build bombs. Not to mention fire from within schools and giving 6 year old kids lessons in operating AK-47

[mutz]

...apropos,

I once participated in investigating the connections of a Black Muslim from L.A. who had rigged a bomb in somebody's medicinechest, meant to go off when the somebody looked for the toothpaste.

Just when we finished the rig and closed the mirror, his bomb went off in his face. Lost his face with both eyes and both hands. The explosion sympathetically set off other explosives in the bag at his feet and pretty well wiped him out there too, including his manhood.

His connections turned out to be five hashed out dope head buddies he had somehow taken too seriously.

Heard he got an early release from prison for his work, by example, to convince others to mend their ways.

[RichL]

Hey, keep up with the calls of "Yeller-bellies" and the chicken noises guys.
Its bound to convince all of Europe to help you sooner or later.

[thop]

And lest we forget: the terrorists hate all Westerners, not just the US. Given enough resources and time they will bite off the hand(s) that feed them.

the media tries to inject this in my brain at least twice a day, still i have much trouble to believe this.

[Dogbert]

Then how would you explain what happend in Bali ?

It's simple, bali was considered the "city of sin" by the extremists in Indonesia. What they did was simply cleansing it.
First you cleanse your back yard, then the street, city, county and the world.
The 9/11 proved that anyone can be hurt anywhere. The question is whether you have the balls to do it.
Since the 9/11, extreme fractions started to gain more followers and connect more to other fractions.
There IS a 'terrorist' network. They see themselves as cleansers, as the bringers of the word / message. Each in his own way and for his own reason will help cleansing the world from heretics/sinners/curropters of the good virtues (be they Jews, Christians, Indu, and even moderated muslims).

Nobody hates you for being a westerner. Nobody hates YOU specificly. But as long as your culture promotes things they preceive as sins, bad morals and curroption of what they concern virtues, you're condemned.

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Dogbert
and even moderated muslims).

Well hopefully a few will cotton on and help drive out the likes of Binnies boys and other extremists.

[Dogbert]

And that'll happen the day you'll see cheerleaders wearing burkas (long veiled dresses like afgan women wear).

[Dr Mordrid]

mutz said:

Doc is just projecting his own life's frustration into conspiracies and plots so that he can conjure up justifications to vicariously go out and shoot someone.

He's been shooting things that can't shoot back for 45 years. Imagine his surprise were he to find himself in a hail of bullets or the middle of a bomb blast and look down to see his own blood.

He richly enjoys it all from the safety of his arm chair when it happens to other people, and he can just add fuel to the fire.

1. Not projecting anything. Just calling them as I see them. Obviously you have blinders on.

2. It's called "hunting", which is done for food (keep some, but we often contribute our deer meat to charities approved of by the state) , to add my license fees to our states wildlife management fund (which is hunting/fishing supported), to do my part in out states wildlife management (culling the heard is essential because of our cold winters and the generalized starvation in the heard they can cause) and because I enjoy the outdoors.

FYI Michigan licenses approximately 800,000 deer hunters who together hunt for a total of 10,000,000 hunter/days just during deer season. These hunters harvest about 500,000 deer a year out of a heard of 2.5 million, which has been just enough to maintain a constant heard size.

The state has found that getting hunters to pay for licenses is much more cost effective from several standpoints than hiring people do to this essential task.

Since firearms deer season only accounts for 2 weeks a year and bow season is only 3 months long and it is only one of many hunting seasons (small and upland game, bear, waterfowl etc. etc.)....

3. Safety of my armchair? FYI I *have* been in a firefight in my lifetime. I didn't enjoy it a bit, but I'm happy to say I'm not the one taking a dirt nap.

4. There is a reason I'm not generous as to the motives of Islamic fundamentalists of any stripe; I lost 3 dear friends on 9/11 and am royally pissed off about it.

Now for Hizbollah;

Hizbollah is a terrorist organization funded and logistically supported by Iran, Syria and Libya. Stating that they have nothing to do with Palestinians ignores their own discription of themselves as stated in their many aliases;

Islamic Jihad
Revolutionary Justice Organization
Organization of the Oppressed on Earth
Islamic Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine

Their terrorist actions have included, but are not limited to;

1. the kidnapping, detention and killing of Westerners, including ~100 American civilans.

2. the suicide truck bombing of over 200 American Marines in their barracks in 1983.

3. the hijacking of TWA flight 847.

4. two major attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina (the Israeli embassy and a community center).

5. the rocket attacks on civilian targets in northern Israel.

6. accused by Singapore of plotting attacks on Israeli and American ships in the Singapore Straits.

Just about every intelligence agency that has commented on them also comment that they are increasingly acting in concert with Al Qaeda for logistics and training.

The friend of our enemy....

Dr. Mordrid

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Dogbert
And that'll happen the day you'll see cheerleaders wearing burkas (long veiled dresses like afgan women wear).

To be honest I think theres more chance of seeing cheerleaders on the mars than moderate muslims cottoning on.

[Dogbert]

Dr Mordrid,

You forget the presense of Hamas and Hizbollah in Colombia and other places in South America along with FARC and the IRA dancing the drug dance.

[Dr Mordrid]

Sorry for the omssion

Yup. The terrorist connection to the Columbian (and Peruvian) drug cartels is something a lot of people aren't aware of. This is why even before 9/11 the US Congress approved funding for a large US contingent of US Special Forces to help the Columbian military get trained and outfitted to take them on.

It's also not commonly known that much of the heroine coming to North America and Europe isn't coming from the central asia or China anymore. It's being grown in Columbia from seed stock imported from (drumroll) Afghanistan while Al Qaeda was in control.

The terrorist portion of the profits are going to the middle east for use by you-know-who.

Dr. Mordrid

[SpiralDragon]

i was about to post one very long flaming post but decided against it as there is obviously no way to reason with you doc and dogbert too ... but i will only put the folowing in

1. most of your facts are not straight...

2. PROPER EDUCATION IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SOLUTION TO THE ENTIER MIDLE EASTERN PROBLEM.... the only problem is no one understands this and no one is willing to fix this BIG problem.

3. Doc. and Dogbert... you both generalise too mutch.... not ALL muslims are aginst the US... but MOST muslims are against the US and Israili govt..... not the people ... the govt.... does that make any sense to you both....

[Joel]

2. PROPER EDUCATION IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SOLUTION TO THE ENTIER MIDLE EASTERN PROBLEM.... the only problem is no one understands this and no one is willing to fix this BIG problem.

That is kind of hard to do when the dictators of the region don't want to let their people know the truth about the western world and that we are not the "Great Satan" that all the religious leaders preach.

3. Doc. and Dogbert... you both generalise too mutch.... not ALL muslims are aginst the US... but MOST muslims are against the US and Israili govt..... not the people ... the govt.... does that make any sense to you both....

That is hard for some to believe when they hear the religious leaders calling for the destruction of Israel, the Zionist, and the western "Great Satan" at all cost. And all they see is the horrific murders of the innocent civilian population.

Joel

[efty]

That is kind of hard to do when the dictators of the region don't want to let their people know the truth about the western world and that we are not the "Great Satan" that all the religious leaders preach.

Which dictators? Are you talking about Sadam who was a US foster child?? Are you talking about the King of Suidi arabia who is there with the support of the US? The US government has supported dictators that serve their interests throughout recent history. It does not matter if these dictators do not educate their people or care about their well being.

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by Joel


That is kind of hard to do when the dictators of the region don't want to let their people know the truth about the western world and that we are not the "Great Satan" that all the religious leaders preach.

Joel

The problem is that IF those dictators have any common sense, they don't have the guts to stand up to the religious fanatics that really rule their countries.