Circumcision

[Dogbert]

Speaking of inheritment, "Our" god was actually the Canaanite God "El". If you read the bible, you'll find that Yitro knew Moses's god. I've read through a book of ME mythology and the whole creation of the people of Israel seems like a part of a godly Soap Opera.

"El" was a part of the Canaanite pantheon which included other gods as well. "El" got jealous that one of the godesses (his girlfriend uzzled: ) invited Baal to sit witht hem on mt. Siphon and got El pretty pissed off about it. And a revenge, El found this guy Abraham, made him believe ONLY in him and helped him become a nation that'll oblitrate all the believers of the other gods. Now, when a god has no believers...
Another interesting thing were two other gods called "Shemesh" and "Yam" - gods of the sun and the sea. In Hebrew, those are the words for sun (shemesh) and sea (yam).

[Strahd]

Re: Re: Circumcision

Originally posted by rugger


The strongest argument I can make AGAINST circumcision is that I really don't have to moral authority to circumcise any sons I have. There really isn't any medical need, so doing it would only be to fill my social or relgious desire, which would be very selfish.

So in this debate, I am taking the AGAINST side. (just thinking about it makes me wince, and I think "people actually do that")

Would you pierce your daughters ears then?



And yes I would circumsize my son(s) if and when I have any.

[Sasq]

I'm a "have", and unless there is any medical reason my son(s) will be have's.

As for piercing of my daughters ears, my wife's ears aren't even pierced.

[rugger]

Re: Re: Re: Circumcision

Originally posted by Strahd



Would you pierce your daughters ears then?



And yes I would circumsize my son(s) if and when I have any.

Most likely, for the following reasons

1) She will probably want it done to be like other kids. If not, there really isn't a good reason to force her to have earings. The difference here is that the decision is NOT forced onto her by my desires.
2) Piercing an ear is not really permanant, like say, circumsision.

[Gurm]

Like I said before, it was an easy choice in the end. I _did_ agonize over it. The anti-circumcision advocates are vocal and persuasive.

In the end it was very simple though. If you believe that there's a special deal between you and G-d, then there are a very few things that he COMMANDED that have never been countermanded. Many of the laws of Kosher, as well as a lot of the esoteric bits of the law have been countermanded or obviated over the years. But there are a few things that G-d has asked of us that aren't optional. *shrug*

- Gurm

[GNEP]

I'm not, and don't have any problems!

Basically, I am more than happy to let you all decide for your own families yourselves...

[Joel]

I am. My son is. My brother is. My father was. My grandfathers were. And as far as I know their fathers were. The majority of the circumcisions done in the US are usually done within the first couple of days of life so no one I know of ever remembers it ever occuring.

I also worked in the medical field for several years and I do know that a person who is uncircumcised does have to be more particular about their hygiene than one who isn't. Also don't ever let that foreskin get pulled back and left that way for any length of time. It will swell up like a ballon.

Joel

[CHHAS]

I'm not, but I really don't care one way or the other, it doesn't hurt being there (unless there is a problem in which case it should be removed) and it doesn't matter if it is.

For now I'm just as happy not having anyone getting any kind of clippers anywhere near my penis thank you

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by Novdid
I am circumsized, and I'm happy that I am. And I agree with Zokes on his three points.

There is no negative points about being circumsized. None what so ever.

I think I agree with this.


amish

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by KRSESQ
I recall hearing of a study done a few years ago which concluded that the wives of circumsized men have a lower instance of cervical cancer than the wives of uncircumsized men. I'll try to find a link.
Kevin

This is true, as is the fact that men can get serious infections in the foreskin unless they are very fastidious about their hygiene.

There is also a lower incidence of HIV infection in men who are circumcised. This has been born out by studies in Africa among tribes who practice circumcision and those who do not. Those who are circumcised showed less than half the rate of infection as those who were not; 11% vs. 26% in highly affected areas.

Much of this is due to the foreskins high proportion of Langerhans cells. Langerhans cells are primary targets for HIV virii. Another problem is that small abrasions of the inside of the foreskin, which are very commonly produced during intercourse, are excellent entry points for not only HIV but other STD pathogens.

This protection mainly applies to vaginal sex. Anal sex throws the protective effects of circumcision out the window because of the higher likelihood of producing penile (and anal) abrasions.

Dr. Mordrid

[Admiral]

This protection mainly applies to vaginal sex. Anal sex throws the protective effects of circumcision out the window because of the higher likelihood of producing penile (and anal) abrasions.

you seem to have forgoten oral

[KvHagedorn]

This is the most disgusting thread I have seen in all my years at MURC..

[ZokesPro]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
This is the most disgusting thread I have seen in all my years at MURC..

Afraid to talk about your penis Kv?

[Wombat]

you seem to have forgoten oral

No, not really. Saliva isn't a hospitable place for HIV. It's very, very difficult to infect someone from your mouth.

[Umfriend]

In the end it was very simple though. If you believe that there's a special deal between you and G-d, then there are a very few things that he COMMANDED that have never been countermanded. Many of the laws of Kosher, as well as a lot of the esoteric bits of the law have been countermanded or obviated over the years.

OK, I am ignorant, but could you pls tell me how, when many of the laws were countermanded? (Talmud?)
Umf