World according to America

[Joel]

If you want to talk about substances that should be banned or remain banned due to their harmful side effects let's talk about NICOTINE and ALCOHOL.

As defined in the dictionary:

Nicotine - A poisonous alkaloid derived from the tobacco plant and used in medicine and as an insecticide.

Alochol - A colorless volatile flammable liquid, synthesized or obtained by fermentation of sugars and starches and widely used, either pure or denatured, as a solvent, in drugs, cleaning solutions, explosives, and intoxicating beverages.

One is poisonous and the other is toxic but that are both legal. Go figure.

Joel

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by Wombat
Where did you pull this from? I said no such thing, and I don't care if it is or not. I don't see it as being relevant to this specific case, since the co-op is distributing the drug to terminally ill people. The co-op has a very small size, and a waiting list, but they're losing a couple members per month to the grave. I don't think these people give a shit about the long term effects. In the meantime, let them have a little less pain, restored appetite, and minor side effects.

Intimating that there may be a useful feature in marijuana made me believe you've been listening to NORML and their kin. That your co-op is distributing it makes them drug dealers under Federal law.

The other problem is that the active ingredient that helps chemotherapy nausea, loss of apatite, AIDS symptoms and pain; the canabbinols mentioned earlier, are available legally and in much higher levels in Marinol. Marinol would be much better than the "natural" sources because the amount taken would be consistant dose-to-dose. You can't guarantee that in a homegrown product.

The whole "theraputic marijuana" propoganda campaign is just a back-door by NORML and their helpmates in getting it de-criminalized for all purposes using the little steps technique.

Dr. Mordrid

[GNEP]

Doc, for the sake of us non-USers, what's NORML?

Thanks

G

[Greebe]

and at what price doc? When a typical ounce will last most people a month by themself at a cost of ~$120, that really smacks a home run in the pocket book.

Damn I gotta remember to stop thinking that not everyone is poor and has shit medical insurance (or none)

flipside for a sec... my son's wheelchair was $5 grand... that's not including the seat, the back, the handles, the plastic brackets which hold his feet in place, the head rest, the foot pedels, the tires and the chest harness... those goodies virtually doubled it's cost (9 grand)

Damn man that's what like 9 friggen times the value of our car! (another story goes behind this one

Description of the seat, 1/2" plywood with 1" foam ontop covered in black Vinyl and four stainless steel quasy L shaped brackets... cost $600)

Description of back, thin blow molded black polystryene, plain 1/2" thick foam rubber, Lycra spandex cover, and two L brackets which lock it to the chair. Cost $900

25" uninflatable (bike) tires (just the tires, less rims and hand ring) $300 each

Yeah I see how this all works for the good of all of us
(fleacing of America I think)

[Greebe]

@GNEP

Ya know I found this wonderful new thing they invented just the other day... it's call a search engine... (just teasin


click here

[Greebe]

Oh that reminds me... I've watched a few news and PBS shows about those with terminal cancer and how even those doctors with patients would greatly benifit from Marinol isn't prescribed...

why?

Easy the doctors and those in their circles get a bad rep for prescribing it... akin to that of a drug pusher. So they either refuse to prescribe or will not presrcibe unless the family seriouly push for it and or won't even mention that there is such a thing to most patients... typically they find out it even exists after doing searches on the internet looking for help for their family member.

Talk about hypocrasy

(BTW I've seen this happen first hand!)

[Joel]

Plus I don't think he was listening when someone else stated the following.

Marinol pills are useless for someone who can't even keep water in his stomach due to chemo (if you want to discuss meds with truely TOXIC side effects!), and the Marinol suppositories being tested are uncomfortable and undignified.

And although it may be true that NORMAL does have it's own agenda, so does the Federal Government and the Drug Companies that stand to loss some profits if it did become legal for medical use.

Joel

[GNEP]

Greebe: I see now - thanks (Sorry - was in "conversation" mode rather than "web surfing" mode...) Cheers

[Greebe]

Let alone that by the time a person gets to this stage of illness they are finiancially wiped out by all they other ultra expensive tests & treatments et all and can't afford or that most medical insurance won't even cover Marinol!

[KvHagedorn]

Cmon Greebe.. everyone knows that the big business that is health insurance expects you to kill yourself at this point to save them every precious cent.

In this country, one almost feels like it is the patriotic duty of the poor to die so the rich don't have to bother to finance their medical costs.

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by GNEP
Doc, for the sake of us non-USers, what's NORML?

Thanks

G

National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. Basically the drug dealers advocacy group.

BTW: the University of Kentucky is now testing a cannabinol transdermal patch. No smoking or oral administration necessary....just stick it on. In addition the patches will provide several different cannabinols so any benefits missed in Marinol should be picked up in the new delivery system.

There is also work being done in the UK on hybridized plants that produce 8x the canabbinols of normal plants to lower the production cost of MJ based medications.

Cost? What's it worth to get precise dosages? Not to mention you never *really* know what's in a homegrown plant, especially if someone else grows it

Dr. Mordrid

[KRSESQ]

Drug dealers don't want pot legalized! They stand to lose millions, too!

Kevin

[Joel]

the University of Kentucky is now testing a cannabinol transdermal patch.

And then another 5 to 10 years to get through the FDA while how many people still have to suffer unneccessarily.

Krsesq is right. Drug dealers do not want legalization neither do alot of politicians for the same reason. It will put a big dent into the money going into their back pockets.

And NORMAL is not a drug dealer's advocacy group. They just don't feel that someone should be thrown in jail for smoking something that is no more harmful than cigerettes or alcohol.

Your 1941 report has been disproven many times since then.

Joel

[Dr Mordrid]

Don't bet on the timeline. The FDA approval procedure has been streamlined of late. Many times recently the trials have been cut short to get product to market ASAP.

As far as the 1041 report goes: the "studies" that contradicted it were themselves flawed (and more than a little self-serving) and even more recent studies show the other effects I noted below the 1941 studies. MJ can be quite harmful to the nervous system, make no mistake about it.

Dr. Mordrid

[Joel]

MJ can be quite harmful to the nervous system, make no mistake about it.

So is Nicotine (a poisonous alkaloid) and Alcohol (a toxic to the body), but you have avoided addressing those two legal substances.

Many times recently the trials have been cut short to get product to market ASAP.

Yeah so the drug companies can start making their massive profits sooner.

Joel