UK going to crack down on firearms

[KvHagedorn]

Does this mean no more Guy Ritchie movies?

"Bullet Tooth Tony and his friend, Desert Eagle .50"

Seriously, arming cops isn't enough, especially when they don't give a damn like you say they don't. The best thing we did here was issue concealed weapons licenses for average citizens.. makes those killers think twice if they can get killed themselves by any old grandma.

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Tony Andrews
. Nottingham is one place that TP didn't mention that sees more than average gun activity, and armed police patrols.
T.

I didn't mention it becuase it doesn't come into the news very often. It doesn't make the news as it's considered the norm unless two young people get gunned down like in Birmingham.

Kvh what you say will come, probably by the backdoor though.

[Novdid]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
Seriously, arming cops isn't enough, especially when they don't give a damn like you say they don't. The best thing we did here was issue concealed weapons licenses for average citizens.. makes those killers think twice if they can get killed themselves by any old grandma.

Seriously, do you think this is the best way to get the streets safe?

[The PIT]

Originally posted by Novdid
Seriously, do you think this is the best way to get the streets safe?

Well it the authorities deal with the problem there won't be a need for the citizens to arm themselfs. However since the authorties can't deal with a bunch of 8 - 16 year yobs it's very unlikely that they'll be able to deal with them any more effectively when the yobs are armed when they're older.
Apparently turf war drug gangs are arming youngsters to do there dirty work for them. Again we can't deal with the drug problem so it's going to get any better.
In Sheffield the club that has a lot of shootings is still open. Why? The license should be removed and it should be closed down. I leave to you decide why the license hasn't been removed.
In the end if you're not going to be protected how do you look after yourself. People will start arming themselfs.
Other attempts at controlling the problem like yardies by deporting them has failed as well as they just jump on another plane and come back again. This is something that also needs looking into as it is another possible solution although customs will have to be tightened up to make this more effective.

[DentyCracker]

Sounds like what happens at home.

[The PIT]

Well I see Nottingham has just made the news with a shooting.

[Ant]

Again. There have been a huge amount in Notingham over the last 12 months.

[The PIT]

Rumours say that gun related offenses have gone up 100% to 22 a day. Some would say what we're fussing about but it's best to crack the problem before it gets out of control if it hasn't already.
Changing Peoples attitude would be good. A kid at work lives in a street where theres two drug gangs working. Since he went to school with most of them he thinks the people are sound. I wonder if he'd think the same if his children got caught in the crossfire???? I just looked at him and thought silly person.

[RedRed]

Police are armed in Northern Ireland - MP5's I think, & Browning pistols. There is a real need here - and a definate threat....

I dont believe that the UK will be ready to issue firearm licences for many years to come here. Almost all shooting incidents in the UK are gang related. The numbers of incidents have risen by 50% in just 3 years.

Personaly, I would be in favour of 3 things being introduced.

1 A confidential telephone system, like they had here. ANyone can, at any time, 'grass'. (you might even find one gang grassing on another! - happy days!)

2 Minimum jail terms ofr fire arm offenders. 5 years for a real gun, loaded or not, and perhaps 3 for the use of or carying in public/concealed immitation weapons. DOUBLED for automatics. DOUBLED for a second offense.

3 Minimum of 5 years for assulting the police with a real or imitation weapon.

4 Impounding ALL assets of those found dealing in weapons or drugs.

There should be no parole with these cases.

convert an old super-tanker into the new prisons required (they did that here with internment in the '70's)

[Fat Tone]

Originally posted by RedRed

convert an old super-tanker into the new prisons required (they did that here with internment in the '70's)

There's one in the Eniglish Channel right now that would be perfect

[KvHagedorn]

once you get that old supertanker full of druglords and gang members, you could torpedo it and say "oh what a shame.. musta hit a rock or something.. meteor impact perhaps? Oh, such a tragedy!

When the communists took over in China, they just put all the drug addicts and pushers up against the wall and shot them. Extreme? Well, they were wasting their lives anyhow, and creating a menace to society. It's a hard choice, and yes, a few innocents died, but how many more innocents were saved from wasted, worthless, shortened lives? Sometimes you just have to cut out the cancer.

[Wombat]

but how many more innocents were saved from wasted, worthless, shortened lives? Sometimes you just have to cut out the cancer.

Since when are drug users innocents?

[KvHagedorn]

Another thing, and this is for Novdid and others who want to avoid any situation where the government dirties its hands fighting fire with fire, where is this utopia of perfect justice going to come from? Once you have allowed the worst elements of society to spread and become deeply rooted and let them corrupt elected officials with their money, where is your utopia then? You need to have the wisdom to see that there is a problem and the courage to do something about it, keeping in mind that you are not perfect, but in the end things will be better for having acted. You who want to reiterate what others have thought and ask "Does the end really justify the means?" I put this to you: Do the means really justify the end? By this I mean, if you are soft on crime, and worry greatly that you will offend or harm anyone in the pursuit of justice, you may think you have been fair and judicious ("oh, we can't have the death penalty.. what if you get it wrong?"), but what is the end that results from this attitude? You start spending GDP on prisons instead of schools, and if that cannot be afforded, you start giving lesser sentences, and when this happens, that druglord whose rights you fought for gets out and turns your own kids into junkies or kills them if they get in the way. Where are your high-minded principles then? What will force you to look at reality? No, people are not perfect, judges are not perfect, but that means we need to try harder to judge well, not abrogate the responsibility which we MUST carry out. And if we telegraph the message to children that we don't care to lead in a society of good and justice, then they will begin to think such principles are weak and turn to evil as their source for strength. Good judgement itself has then been compromised!

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by Wombat
Since when are drug users innocents?

When they are not yet drug users. If you are a 13yo girl who is experimenting with life, are you evil? No, you are innocent. Innocence is a state of neutrality. It is neither good nor evil. An innocent person can be led down one of two paths, and it is the job of those who care to lead them down the right one.

[The PIT]

Originally posted by RedRed
[BI dont believe that the UK will be ready to issue firearm licences for many years to come here. Almost all shooting incidents in the UK are gang related. The numbers of incidents have risen by 50% in just 3 years.

100% in last year some sources are quoting

1 A confidential telephone system, like they had here. ANyone can, at any time, 'grass'. (you might even find one gang grassing on another! - happy days!)

Probably won't work very well but its an option


2 Minimum jail terms ofr fire arm offenders. 5 years for a real gun, loaded or not, and perhaps 3 for the use of or carying in public/concealed immitation weapons. DOUBLED for automatics. DOUBLED for a second offense.

Doubtful that judges would enforce the laws this seems to be a problem at the moment

3 Minimum of 5 years for assulting the police with a real or imitation weapon.
See above

4 Impounding ALL assets of those found dealing in weapons or drugs.

Yup.

There should be no parole with these cases.

European court of crimminal rights wouldn'y agree to this. Sorry Human rights

convert an old super-tanker into the new prisons required (they did that here with internment in the '70's)

And sink the basterd

[/B]

Another policy they could also implement, is that if any person caught using a firearm has just immagrated to this country they should be deported. Since our Jails are ovvercrowded this would help a little bit.