The russians cant listen to NDAs either.

[Russian]

dear ALBPM, don't say about nationality, OK ? "****ole on ****ole?" Well, I am sure you never have met Russian alive. Otherwise you would never say that.

Or you are making that conclusion watching stupid Hollywood films ?

iXBT.com do not need any additional ad or noise - it is the web-site # 1 in Russia. It was a small revenge to the slow people working at well known company.

I am sorry for my bad English, my Russian is much better.

[Cobos]

Russian:
I'm pretty sure you got that completely wrong... What ALBPM said (or I think he said is that an ****ole is an ****ole, regardless of his nationality... i.e. the webmaster of iXBT is an ****ole because he broke an NDA, not because he was russian...

Cobos

[Evildead666]

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[Russian]

They mentioned that many times - they could't break ANY NDA - they did NOT sign ANY.

They tried to contact Matrox MANY times - Matrox did not reply anything.

Pls understand iXBT.com here is Russian tomshardware and anand regarding the traffic and trust from people. Matrox ignored the BEst Russian hardware site.

Moreover the guys know what is NDA - they signed many with Intel, AMD, HP and other - and NEVER broke any.

[nggalai]

Hi there,

Regarding the NDA breach by Alexander et al: it appears they weren't under an NDA, but procured the information from somebody else. This is one of those border cases--in Russia, you're scott-free that way (after all, YOU didn't sign an NDA, so you can't breach it), in Switzerland, on the other hand side, the information itself would be considered to be sensitive and thus, even though you didn't specifically sign an NDA, you'd get it from a bunch of lawyers.

It's all a question of perspective, I suppose. I still believe, though, that some tact and respect would have been in order by Alexander and his crew as well as by the others who have released preview information too early (www.chip.de, for example, put a similar article online yesterday, too).

ta,
.rb

[Ant]

So that then simply gives them the right to publish information they know to come form a breached NDA does it? If IXBT are the "Russian Tomshardware" then them doing this makes it all the worse in my eyes if they are supposedly a well respected site. Where are their morals? Nothing you say will make this right. They obtained information they knew was from a breached NDA and publshed it for the glory, that's all there is to it. Do you wonder why Matrox didn't offer them a NDA in the first place? It is beause this sort of thing is common behaviour from these people. If they were ignored they were ignored for a reason, and that does not give them any sort of justification for doing what they did.

Originally posted by Russian
They mentioned that many times - they could't break ANY NDA - they did NOT sign ANY.

They tried to contact Matrox MANY times - Matrox did not reply anything.

Pls understand iXBT.com here is Russian tomshardware and anand regarding the traffic and trust from people. Matrox ignored the BEst Russian hardware site.

Moreover the guys know what is NDA - they signed many with Intel, AMD, HP and other - and NEVER broke any.

[Ant]

So what you are saying here effectively is that they published to get back at Matrox for not being quick enough to talk to them. That says it all.

Originally posted by Russian
iXBT.com do not need any additional ad or noise - it is the web-site # 1 in Russia. It was a small revenge to the slow people working at well known company.

[Russian]

matrox regardless all my love of the products is another big company with two principles - "Save your ass" and "No surprises".
The guys NEVER broke NDA before. They are respected by companies larger than matrox. Why matrox ignored them ? Why would the guys respect the company which has no respect to our market, small, but GROWING ?

You are right - this is the isuue of the respect - but respect from whom to whom ?

[Ant]

It is an issue of IXBT saying screw you Matrox you haven't done what we want so we'll get our revenge. And that says all there is to say about the site and their editorial policies. You refer to them as the Russian Tomshardware well that then is an insult to Tomshardware as I sure as hell know they wouldn't behave in that manner.

[fav]

Ant, it's a pure form of blackmail by IXBT.

Yeah, by the way - do you prepare to forthcoming lemmings income? Did you optimized your webserver to handle more requests (put icons/images on another port or webserver; optimize Apache etc).

Hope you'll not be awaken by next /. users.

[Ant]

I'm prepared I don't know if our hosts are

Originally posted by fav
Ant, it's a pure form of blackmail by IXBT.

Yeah, by the way - do you prepare to forthcoming lemmings income? Did you optimized your webserver to handle more requests (put icons/images on another port or webserver; optimize Apache etc).

Hope you'll not be awaken by next /. users.

[Russian]

Dear ANT, it seems to me - we do not understand each other. I am talking about FREE press - why matrox try to select the right media ? Discrimination and segragetion ! iXBT is respected by Intel and all other big names - isn't it enough ?

Moreover, according to US law (do not know exactly about others legitimations) - the guys are right - they do have the right to publish any info, except the topics promoting or ad of drugs, porno and facsism.

[khamsin]

Originally posted by Russian
Dear ANT, it seems to me - we do not understand each other. I am talking about FREE press - why matrox try to select the right media ? Discrimination and segragetion ! iXBT is respected by Intel and all other big names - isn't it enough ?

Moreover, according to US law (do not know exactly about others legitimations) - the guys are right - they do have the right to publish any info, except the topics promoting or ad of drugs, porno and facsism.

I think there is a major difference between respect, and trust. Put a gun to my head and I will respect that you kan kill me, I will not trust you.

The laws of the United States are irrelevant to this discussion.

Freedom of the press jadda, jadda, jadda. It is well known that Matrox has beta testers. It is also well known that Matrox did not want this information released. If you want to show respect you could honour their wish to keep it the information to yourself until the NDA no longer applies. Hiding behind the Freedom of the Press is in my view in poor taste, and utterly reprehensible.


Getting off soapbox
khamsin

[fav]

Originally posted by Russian
Dear ANT, it seems to me - we do not understand each other. I am talking about FREE press - why matrox try to select the right media ? Discrimination and segragetion ! iXBT is respected by Intel and all other big names - isn't it enough?

Total bullshit. It's a private held company. Let me use your home for witches' sabbath with beer and joint rolling/smoking - why not, Russia is a free country too!

You have to follow generally accepted rules. If you can't show your sources then you are in trouble. Respect others rights to be treated the same way.

And no blackmail, please.

Does Intel is recognized by _everyone_? I trust AMD, not Intel. I care less if Intel released a new product on the market.

Don't be surprised if IXBT got closed doors and been passed IXBT by over companies in silence. Trust is broken already. IXBT got cheap traffic but it may lose all respect from current advertisers.

[Ant]

Free press has got nothing to do with anything. You are clearly stating that IXBT didn't get what they wanted so they published that information to get back at Matrox. Free press? What about Matrox's free right to handle their affairs in their own way? Where is it written that just because UXBT feel they should be given confidential information by Matrox that Matrox have to do this?

Sure it is not against the law what they have done I'm not saying that. I am saying morally it is a very bad decision and attitude for a supposedly large and respected site to take and it reflects very badly on not only themselves but the rest of the online hardware community. You are saying because they didn't get their own way they effectively resorted to blackmail and that was right. So what if they have had NDAs from Intel, that has no bearing on anything. From what you are saying you paint IXBT has simply being a very arrogant bunch of people who hit back if they don't get their own way.

There has been no discrimination, or segregation you are making a conspiracy where there isn't one.

Originally posted by Russian
Dear ANT, it seems to me - we do not understand each other. I am talking about FREE press - why matrox try to select the right media ? Discrimination and segragetion ! iXBT is respected by Intel and all other big names - isn't it enough ?

Moreover, according to US law (do not know exactly about others legitimations) - the guys are right - they do have the right to publish any info, except the topics promoting or ad of drugs, porno and facsism.