Hmm... Well I'm definitely looking forward to the upcomming Parhelia review @ [H]OCP

[Ant]

Come on guys Kyle came in with smilies firing on all barrels lets not be inhospitable

[Indiana]

Originally posted by Ant
Come on guys Kyle came in with smilies firing on all barrels lets not be inhospitable

To be frank I found his post even quite funny...

We just have to face the facts. It's clear from EVERY review: the Parhelia isn't up to the expectedx speeds. Wheter this is due to hardware issues or unoptimized drivers can surely be discussed (I'm quite sure it is both).
But still the Parhelia is the first Matrox card that besides having great signal quality, the best DualHead, hopefully great TVOut (didn't hear any comment on this, neither about DVD playback - this would be a chance for YOUR review, Kyle - since everybody knows about the performance) can actually be used for gaming and quite good at that.

And since Matrox' fastest card in this aspect up to now still was the 400Max, this IS quite an improvement for everyone that put their primary interest in those fields but still wants to play a game now or then. Still the price is just "ouch!".

[thop]

i like the parhelia. i want it in my system right now, it suits all my needs and the performance is enough for now. but it is just far too expensive. once it drops to 250$ (yeah, right ) i will get myself one.

too bad there is no OC utility for the P yet, i would have loved to see how high Kyle can get that baby. although i'm not a big fan of his reviews in general i always enjoy any review that is OC related on HardOCP.

[YngwieM]

Originally posted by thop
once it drops to 250$ (yeah, right ) i will get myself one.

I'd follow you... $250 is on the range I'm looking for...

[Pace]

Good to see you responding Kyle. Still miffed about not getting that Parahelia?

[Ant]

Kyle and me both

[thop]

LOL

[Greebe]

Dang Kyle I at least expected more mature additude from you... not to mention many that do hang on your forums that are bashing your tactless unprofessionalism.

Normally when one of your age reaches that point they outgrown that overhyped ignorance level only fps kiddy's eat up. Sadly you haven't reached that point yet.

Here's to the next time you do a card review... maybe by then reality will smack you on the arse and you'll wake up.

[FrgMstr]

Originally posted by MrGaribaldi


Kyle> How do you plan on doing that review?

Will you just run a few benchmarks and be satisfied with that, or will you check IQ, min, avg, and max fps, "smoothness" of play, how well it oc's, and the diff uses for the features (fps/iq in TH, DVD on one monitor, html editor on the other etc.)?

The reason i ask is that the P isn't a hardcore gamer card, but has a lot of other strengths... It would be nice to see more reviews who has done the testing with this in mind..

And since most ppl think you've allready made up your mind about the P, it'd be a good way to show you're neither bought of nv, nor an FPS hoe...

.02$

What kind of testing suite would you outline. We are AlWAYS looking for new ideas.

[FrgMstr]

Originally posted by Ant
Kyle and me both

I am with you on that one Ant.

[Captain Marvel]

Lets not all jump on the guy... [H]e runs a good hardware site and you've gotta give him credit for having the nads to show up here... and there's a reason for it. Probably no one is quite 100% happy with the launch... maybe due to the heatsink/clock rate expectations. Kyle runs a hardware site and was one of a few (including that no good Ant!...but that's another thread) that didn't get a board. If I was running a major hardware site and didn't get a board for an ambiguous reason I would be HOT. I think he wasthen and I think he's cooled down a little and you gotta cut him a little slack he's posting the good reviews also(he already posted all the bad ones and ran out) . also kyle if you read the interview you linked to about the "Pepsi challenge" that would make a good review ...weather or not a card with 16 FAA is better looking and maybe performing at a lower resolution than a differnet card at higher res.... opens up a whole new can o' worms if a card is better visually and performance wise than another card trying to do high res/frame rates.

[Captain Marvel]

wow .......
..we must have posted at the same time ...that's what I propose maybe 16FAA at lower ers vs. whatever at higher res and see what happens. Also overclock it put a delta on it, water cool it , and if it breaks, send it to Ant I heard he wants one.

"So in terms of edge quality, you will actually see better results with a Parhelia at 1024x768 than another card at 1600x1200... and the performance of Parhelia will be much higher in this case"

"try a side by side "pepsi challenge" to see if one can tell that the Parhelia is running at a lower resolution. If the overall quality difference is minor to non-noticeable (and better on the edges
"
"you should compare a Parhelia plus FAA-16x at a lower base res than another card that delivers only 4xAA. But our guidance is that with FAA-16x working on Parhelia we don’t see a reason to run games at higher than 1024x768 or maybe 1280x1024 in exceptional circumstances. At these resolutions, and with these quality settings, the benchmarks will show that not only are we delivering great frame rates, but the best frame rates"


not my words but some suggestions. sorry bout the length

[FrgMstr]

Originally posted by Greebe
Dang Kyle I at least expected more mature additude from you... not to mention many that do hang on your forums that are bashing your tactless unprofessionalism.

Normally when one of your age reaches that point they outgrown that overhyped ignorance level only fps kiddy's eat up. Sadly you haven't reached that point yet.

Here's to the next time you do a card review... maybe by then reality will smack you on the arse and you'll wake up.

Really now, why would you expect that from me? Have you ever met me or had a conversation with me? From the things written here in your MURC forums about me personally, I would have expected nothing. Not even the ability to read! That is sarcastic humor for you laying in wait for your chance to be rude again.



All those "fps kiddy's" that you seem to thumb your nose at are now 25 to 35 years of age and have disposable income and that my friend is what Matrox, ATi, and NVIDIA want...that demographic segment’s money. $400 video cards are never for "kiddy's". Maybe Matrox sees that segment differently as far as their wants and needs. Bottom line is that brilliant graphic reproduction is going to get you little press even if you DO DESERVE it…. (outside of certain niche' segments), BUT that coupled with blinding speed will get the gamers on your doorstep begging to buy. That is what we want for our readers.

Matrox was not up to doing that and soon the Parhelia will be but a stain on the Q302 Roadmap of life as ATi and NVIDIA are working on real solutions that people WILL pay $400 for. Personally my money is on ATI this next GPU round, but we always like having our expectations exceeded.

Your precious Matrox has been telling me that they want to take Matrox public soon which is one thing I think this whole Parhelia thing was about. They needed to get back on the map to get a huge injection of cash to be able to afford the R&D and engineer associated with playing with the big boys. I may be wrong, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Matrox will stay a small company, with big ideas but not the money to make them a reality.

I actually started this response with some focus, but as you can see I lost it quite quickly..sorry.

[FrgMstr]

Originally posted by Captain Marvel

"So in terms of edge quality, you will actually see better results with a Parhelia at 1024x768 than another card at 1600x1200... and the performance of Parhelia will be much higher in this case"

"try a side by side "pepsi challenge" to see if one can tell that the Parhelia is running at a lower resolution. If the overall quality difference is minor to non-noticeable (and better on the edges
"
"you should compare a Parhelia plus FAA-16x at a lower base res than another card that delivers only 4xAA. But our guidance is that with FAA-16x working on Parhelia we don’t see a reason to run games at higher than 1024x768 or maybe 1280x1024 in exceptional circumstances. At these resolutions, and with these quality settings, the benchmarks will show that not only are we delivering great frame rates, but the best frame rates"


not my words but some suggestions. sorry bout the length

In our current reviews (since Ti came on board and since Brent has been donig the retail reviews) we have AA numbers. IMO, none of them (and I have not tested the Parhelia) are capable of giving me acceptable FPS with 4XAA and the eye cand turned on at 1280 or so. And please don't quote me on this as I don't have quotes sitting here in front of me and we test a lot of cards so it can be confusing sometimes.

As for your suggestion, I think you are DEAD ON with what needs to be done in our Parhelia review. More AA testing! MAKE IT SO!

[Rags]

Originally posted by FrgMstr


Sorry, I will leave my sense of humor at home next time. I forgot how serious you guys take you MATROX cards.....

Hi Kyle, welcome to the MURC forums, we have a lot of good people here, and hope you participate and add more to the mix.

Don't broad sweep all of us because a few can't take humor. We all know that we shouldn't judge our forums at the HOCP because of the lowest common denominator (thank god for that ).

I happen to like my Parhelia fine when compared to my Ti4600 with the settings I use (everything is pretty much cranked up, and AA on).

What I would like to see in your review is you actually taking the time to play these games on the card for a few days, and get yourself squared on it. You know, spend some time with it, and do a seat of the pants comparision by doing the same with your GF4. I would like that.

Rags