The Matrix Reloaded

[Ssin]

RedRed : Maybe the machines developed the bomb in answer to EMP. I mean Morpheus says that EMP is the best weapon they have against the machines but no one tells us that is in fact old technology they could have developed it 2 years ago.

I'm still wondering why Neo is fighting oponents while he can disable them at whim. Why are the agents chasing him since he's the one and supposed to return to the source. Why do the machines need him to be fred by Zion? Why is the Oracle afraid of agents? Why are the agents so eager to see the KeyMaker (the Exile) dead?

Somebody out there? *pin drop*

[Ajax]

I just watched "The Matrix" (the first one) last night, and I was surprised at how many little things I picked up after seeing Reloaded. I watched it keeping the multiple matrix theory in mind, and it totally fits. When Agent Smith is interrogating Morpheus near the end, Smith is talking about the Matrix, calls it a prison, “I must get out of here”, “I must get free”, “I want to get inside Zion” (not the computer in Zion). Before this conversation, he is talking about humans being a virus, that in order to survive, they spread to a new area after the resources are consumed. Interesting that he became a sort of virus, spreading all over the matrix, and then into Zion.

[leech]

@ Ssin:

I was wondering the same thing, especially in the fight with Agent Smith. But then it occured to me after the fight with Agent Smith that he realized he didn't want more Agents to be like Smith. Multiplying all over the place like a Windows Operating System.

The reason the Oracle is afraid of the Agents and that the Keymaker is in exile is because they are programs that are no longer needed by the Matrix, so they chose exile rather than deletion.

I think the Agents themselves are unaware of the Architects grand designs (God works in mysterious ways....) Their only mission is to stop the 'rebels' (the 1% that don't believe in the matris) As the Architect states, the mathematically perfect Matrix does not work for brains that have anomalies. Hence why the 'program' of Neo was created.

Leech

[Ssin]

Originally posted by leech
@ Ssin:

I was wondering the same thing, especially in the fight with Agent Smith. But then it occured to me after the fight with Agent Smith that he realized he didn't want more Agents to be like Smith. Multiplying all over the place like a Windows Operating System.

What I was refering to is that Neo, being the one doesn't need to dodge bullets, he can extract a bullet from a corpse. Why doesn't he simply take the Smiths' legs off for exemple? He cando whatever he wants in the Matrix, he can change it at whim. He's hacking it in realtime.

The reason the Oracle is afraid of the Agents and that the Keymaker is in exile is because they are programs that are no longer needed by the Matrix, so they chose exile rather than deletion.

I don't think so. The Matrix still needs the Oracle to lead Neo to the source. The Matrix still needs the keymaker to tell Neo how to enter the source.

I think the Agents themselves are unaware of the Architects grand designs (God works in mysterious ways....) Their only mission is to stop the 'rebels' (the 1% that don't believe in the matris) As the Architect states, the mathematically perfect Matrix does not work for brains that have anomalies. Hence why the 'program' of Neo was created.

Leech

I thought of that too. Something is still bugging me. Did you realize that Smith was already something appart? I mean, he's the only agent wich looks like he has a brain. The other don't think much, they simply take actions. Smith interact with the others, he speaks, even has dialogues, and elaborate theories...
He seemed like a much more complicated program from the beginning. Maybe he was also a "one" before Neo...

[Ssin]

Just stumbled over that thing on the net, though some of you might have interest in that.

http://www.moviemistakes.com/film.php?filmid=3144

[leech]

I think quite possibly Smith was just a more evolved AI than the rest of the agents. I don't think that he used to be a "One" Otherwise he would have already been outside of the Matrix and wouldn't have had to try to Hack Morpheus. But since he was set 'free' by sharing some of Neo's code, then he was able to hack his way into that one guy's brain and escape, but something else bothered me about Matrix Reloaded after I saw it a second time.

When Agent Smith is fighting Neo, another Agent walks up and Smith absorbs and takes him over. Signifying that Smith is no longer working for the Matrix, yet when the Sentinels destroyed all the ships, the sole survivor was the guy that Smith inhabited, so they are still working in conjunction.

Leech

[leech]

Hey, any of those 'mistakes' can be discounted as bad programming in the Matrix. The thing has bugs, and that's why the Architect needs The One to give code back to the source. Would the Matrix then be considered Open or Closed source software? Since it is a 'community' that supports it with their brains, and perhaps just the Agents are Closed Source? They're the Monopoly like Microsoft, they can just take over anyone they feel like?



Leech

[Ssin]

The Matrix is not Open Source.. it's not a community "building" the same sofware or achieved the same goal. If you keep going that way next thing you'll say is that animals in a zoo are there on their own will... tss :P

[Technoid]

Okay, have seen it
It was great
Down to the points:

1. people that watch a movie and tries to find "goofs" are not seeing the forest because the trees

2. I did never get a "magical" feeling that there was "several" Matrix'es

3. I got a strong feeling that no one of the "matrix AI" programs telled the "truth"

4. The "thousands of smiths" fight scene was to loong, he should have flown away at the point where the took the post, it makes neo seem stupid: not knowing when he is outnumbered

[Ssin]

Originally posted by leech
I think quite possibly Smith was just a more evolved AI than the rest of the agents. I don't think that he used to be a "One" Otherwise he would have already been outside of the Matrix and wouldn't have had to try to Hack Morpheus. But since he was set 'free' by sharing some of Neo's code, then he was able to hack his way into that one guy's brain and escape, but something else bothered me about Matrix Reloaded after I saw it a second time.

When Agent Smith is fighting Neo, another Agent walks up and Smith absorbs and takes him over. Signifying that Smith is no longer working for the Matrix, yet when the Sentinels destroyed all the ships, the sole survivor was the guy that Smith inhabited, so they are still working in conjunction.

Leech

Maybe the Matrix reintegrates the previous "One" 's without them being aware of that and doing so, it removes them of their past memories.

[Technoid]

Originally posted by Ssin
Maybe the Matrix reintegrates the previous "One" 's without them being aware of that and doing so, it removes them of their past memories.

hm......
what would the piont be as removing a persons memories is at the same time like erasing his personality

[Ssin]

Originally posted by Technoid
hm......
what would the piont be as removing a persons memories is at the same time like erasing his personality

Don't know, then again why should the Matrix be there if the machines only needs us a powercells?
I mean : isn't keeping a human alive more power consuming than the energy he produces?

[Technoid]

those kind of plotholes are big enough to drive a 747boing through

[leech]

As it explains in the first one, they created the Matrix because they had to keep humanity alive. The first Matrix was an utter failure because everyone's lives were too perfect. "Thousands of crops were lost" as Smith says. If they just plugged them in as batteries, then mankind would somehow try to find a way to escape, as even with the Matrix, there are some that just didn't believe it.

Ok, here's something else I was thinking of. Someone mentioned that it was impossible for Smith to 'possess' that guy. But think of it this way, it's just as impossible for them to upload instructions on how to fly a helicopter, or teach martial arts in a second. As it shows in the first and second movies, they can just upload whatever program they want to a brain, and since Agent Smith is a Program, then he just uploaded himself to that guy.

The reason I think that he was cutting his hand, was indeed because he was feeling the flesh of being human. Smith knew he was in some sort of Prison/Zoo, but my question is, does that mean that all the Agents within the Matrix are actually Sentinels? Or some other sort of machine that is just plugged into the Matrix to find the Rebels of Zion?

I tend to think that since the Agents were trying to stop Neo from going to the source, and yet it was REQUIRED by the Architect that he DID go to the source, then would that kind of be like Windows, where two programs are sharing a DLL file, and when you uninstall one program, it tells you that the shared DLL file might make other programs not work, and yet most people remove it anyway? Hope my meaning gets across right here, since I'm too damned tired to think too clearly

Leech

[Drizzt]

I think that there is no a second matrix.

And, about everything else...well, it seems pretty simple and logic apart Neo stopping the Sentinels.

Uh, and I really think that the entire Matrix-Reloaded was inspired by the second Hyperion saga's book.