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[Umfriend]

So none of you guys eat humans???

[Ssin]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
Ssin:

Did I say that cats and dogs are the ONLY animals with intelligence and feelings? I think not. I am really sick of having to defend myself when people accuse me of writing something I didn't.. READ WHAT I WROTE!!!

It's just that I read it that way, apologies if you didn't intend it that way.

Did I know that pigs are smarter than dogs? Yes, I know all the arguments. Did I particularly exclude them from like consideration? No I did not!

What I did say in the line you quoted me on was that it was for the particular cultural reason we keep dogs and cats as pets and care for them as we would children that it is abhorrent to eat them. We are familiar with these animals as loyal friends, so is it any wonder that most people find it such an awful thing to slaughter them as food? I would imagine that someone who had kept pigs or horses would feel similarly towards eating pork or horsemeat.:

That's the point, people grow their pets seeing them as humans being. I just saw a couples in the streets calling their pet dogs "children". I mean there's no point of considering animals as humans, their are not and will never be. We can only consider them as good company but remember that the main thing that rules them is instinct (more and more tamed by us).

Snakes and fish might be kept as pets, but you really can't ascribe the same kind of intelligence or feelings to these animals.

How do you know for sure? Did you ever have one of these as a pet?
Point is the only limit in defining what is to be food or not is your education. I can accept that some people can't or wouldn't eat some animals based on their origin or cultural background or whatever might be called reason here but I can't accept people flaming other people because they eat different things. Judging people as ****ing twisted because they make you chose the dog you're going to have in your dish is what I call judging someone because he's different from you, because he doesn't have the same cultural background as you do. That dog in the guy's mind is just food. He never played with the dog, he never walked that dog, that dog is simple and plain _food_ for him.

It's not my aim to argue with you or any other one out there but the only thing that bugs me the most is intolerance. And not trying to understand others is the first step.
Don't take it personaly, it's not you, it's your point.

[KvHagedorn]

And what are the limits of tolerance? I've seen too much tolerance of certain things.. I read an article once written by some pea-brained wuss who was trying to "understand" some thug who raped and murdered said pea-brained wuss's wife. You cannot expect people to tolerate something they see as being morally wrong.

[Ssin]

As long as it doesn't take away your freedom (of speech, of mobility, ...) it should be tolerated. What you're talking about is insanity.

[KvHagedorn]

I won't tolerate someone putting something in my food that I think is wrong to eat. Just as Jews and Muslims would not tolerate pork, I would not take kindly to finding that I had been fed kittycats and puppydogs in my Chinese food.

As long as it doesn't take away your freedom (of speech, of mobility, ...) it should be tolerated. What you're talking about is insanity.

If you want to write a philosophy on tolerance, I think it should include more information than you have included here.. first you have to define freedom, and define tolerance, too. Those two things could take 300 pages at least. And insanity to me is having no moral boundaries by which to live ones life... thinking that there is no right or wrong.

[Ssin]

Originally posted by KvHagedorn
I won't tolerate someone putting something in my food that I think is wrong to eat. Just as Jews and Muslims would not tolerate pork, I would not take kindly to finding that I had been fed kittycats and puppydogs in my Chinese food.



If you want to write a philosophy on tolerance, I think it should include more information than you have included here.. first you have to define freedom, and define tolerance, too. Those two things could take 300 pages at least. And insanity to me is having no moral boundaries by which to live ones life... thinking that there is no right or wrong.

I never said anything about ppl puting something in your food without you knowing it. Just said that customs in your country is different from another country. Just accept that without judging.

Now I didn't read the article because the link didn't work for me. So I don't know if those ppl were fed something they didn't want. If it's the case, then I totaly agree with you. But if it's a choice you make then there's no problem with me.

[Brian Ellis]

Umfriend

Who hasn't consumed humans, at some time in their lives? 1% of us, perhaps. Chewing one's own fingernails, for example. Better still, what do you do when you cut your finger? The natural reaction is to stick it in your mouth and suck the blood, until you can find a sticking plaster. Who hasn't chewed off a piece of skin that is hanging off? Autoanthropophagism (now, there's a good word ) is rife, and surely that also falls into the category of eating humans.

[DukeP]

I mean there's no point of considering animals as humans, their are not and will never be.

Lol. I kind of agree, but mayhaps the other way around.

Belong to the group of people that places Humans in the order of Pan narratives, i kind of see humans as animals, fearing that we too wont become Humans any time soon.

Someone: But what about Homo sapiens?
Me: Oh right; great idea!!!

But as it is, the really isnt any evidence that points towards humans being removed from their instinct and acting purely (or even consistently) by the logic of thought.

~~DukeP~~

[Umfriend]

Brian, you are absolutely right, but it was absolutely not what I was trying to refer to

[Ssin]

Brian, I didn't mean human like a man but human like in humanity. 'Course, then again, you're right