my first three purchases when i get zeh money

[Elie]

And you can't even beging to comapre these pre-1970 muscle cars to the pre-1970 classics like the Ferraris, Maseratis, Alfas, Lotus's or even Mercedes.

These cars had history, design handling and power, they were designed for racing, in fact Europe started buidling cars for racing way before anyone else even began to think about it.

If I were to choose, I would take the Ferrari Daytona, or the Dino, Short nose 512B or even the old Testarossa.
Heck Fangio drove the 250F Maserati in Germany and won his final race back in 1957.
Maserati was racing since 1926!!!!!

Now that is history guys, not some old boxes with big engines like the Montecarlo or Chevelle SS 454 etc. Uhh no offense Lizzy

The only company at the time that I admire was Ford for building the GT40 which was truly an outstanding car.

Cheers,
Elie

Originally posted by Brian R.
Just a big sewing machine engine

Realistically, you can't compare the pre-1970 muscle cars with the $50-100k cars you are talking about.

[Brian R.]

When you can afford "very fast", you buy it and remember it.

Don't forget these were cars I owned and drove daily. Not saw.

[Byock]

Originally posted by Brian R.
Modern sports cars are fine if you like sewing machine engines.

Not just sports cars, what is up with those crappy sounding mufflers kids are putting on Civic's and other rice rockets these days?

What happened to the deep rumble of Cherry Bombs, and Glass packs? Now those sounded mean, these new ones sound horrible...

[Brian R.]

I think it's just a fad

[Jammrock]

Originally posted by Byock
Not just sports cars, what is up with those crappy sounding mufflers kids are putting on Civic's and other rice rockets these days?

What happened to the deep rumble of Cherry Bombs, and Glass packs? Now those sounded mean, these new ones sound horrible...

It's not a muffler, it's a kazoo. Come on, that's exactly what they sound like, a big noisy kazoo.

Jammrock

[Nowhere]

Yeah Byock, I hate this too. Well, actually I don't know what you hate exactly, I just hate the muffler tuning here, the bottom of which is that cars fart (yes, to me it's just farting, it's obvious from mile that this isn't engine sound) as loud as possible. Overall I can't stand some massculture called track suits (it's another story...I'll explain it to you some day...), to which tuning means that car must have lowest suspension possible (by heavily altering oryginal one, not any real tuning of course), farting muffler, darkened windows and reflectors, Pioneer or Sony sticker on the whole rear window (but almost none of them have this gear inside - usually some high wattage crap so people on street can hear umcyk umcyk style music from several dozen meters), painting with two stripes or "Kasparov" (guess), wheels that are or just look like aluminium ones (usually the disk from brakes (don't know have to translate this...) is stuck behind the usual plastic cover), idiotic spoilers (to the extent of snow plow at the front) and recently blue diodes in front of the poor car or at rear-view mirrors and fluorescent lamps at the bottom of the car. But when comes to engine it's total crap. Most of them are no match even for Megane with 95hp.
Disgusting in one word...

Dammit, they must really irritate me I guees...
You have my promiss that if I'll ever start to play with tuning, I'll touch propulsion and suspension (real tuning, not the above one), etc. ONLY. No "visual tuning" (yuck) or "sound tuning" (yuck)

[Strahd]

Originally posted by Byock
Not just sports cars, what is up with those crappy sounding mufflers kids are putting on Civic's and other rice rockets these days?

What happened to the deep rumble of Cherry Bombs, and Glass packs? Now those sounded mean, these new ones sound horrible...

Even with Cherry bombs etc these Acuras, Civics, Jettas would still sound like god awful shit. I live right beside a major Montreal highway. And I mean beside. Perhaps 50 ft away. Sitting outside on the deck these rice mobiles pass at 120KM in what is seemingly 3rd gear, sounding like Cessna planes.

I often wonder, does anybody even enjoy that sound? I mean even the owners?? Take the exhaust off right from the manifold and you'll have a meaner sounding car, and one that commands more respect.... In my humble opinion.

[Byock]

@ Nowhere, That is exactly what I am talking about!

@Strahd Yes, they do seem to like the sound...at least here.

These stupid kids sit at the stop light, with the clutch in and rev the engine, to make that flatulence noise even more Obnoxious.

[Dr Mordrid]

Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE]
thats what my dad had

My dad had a '63 Falcon coupe with a 351/390hp Mutang drive train.

He did his best for it to look stock outside but it was a pure flamethrower inside. When that thing took off it would pin your eyeballs to the back of your skull

I have yet to see a rice-rocket achieve that kind of power, and it was naturally aspirated & used NO nitrous.

Dr. Mordrid

[Duty]

'69 nova - 90% done, I hope to finish it early next year.


It's a fun little car, I've had it for years.

Jeff

[agallag]

Originally posted by Byock
@ Nowhere, That is exactly what I am talking about!

@Strahd Yes, they do seem to like the sound...at least here.

These stupid kids sit at the stop light, with the clutch in and rev the engine, to make that flatulence noise even more Obnoxious.

What's worse is the ones who put those ricer mufflers on a car with an automatic transmission. Sounds incredibly stupid listening to this loud buzzing engine with automatic shifts. I find it more funny than annoying, and I make a point of pulling up beside them, pointing, and laughing Then I blow them away in my bone stock 4 cyl accord (with manual transmission of course).

[Dr Mordrid]

I have a friend who at one time had a tricked-out Nova SS. It had a nicely balanced weight distribution, a built small block with port injection, a lowered 4 wheel indie suspension, 4 wheel perforated disk brakes and a racing trans; all of which added up to a wickedly fast car.

Sorry Elie, but that thing could eat most Euro super cars for lunch.

Dr. Mordrid

[Nowhere]

Depends on which roads I think, Doc.
In US probably, here - doubt it. (I'll add something to this here by editing, I'm just too lasy and busy right now )

finally, edit (and btw, I think I'll made it - so you won't have to see me here till Sunday or Monday )

The thing I wanted to say, is that the cars Liz posted or other muscle-ones are certainly...nice from my point of view, but nothing more. Perhaps Mustang is something more...but not much. They just don't match my driving temperament (I'd guess that apllies to at least part of Europeans here...), simply put driving them how and where I like most would be suicide...
But I'd bettter tell how and where to not leave you confused
I have three such favourite places...
One is fairly wide road, in good condition, through hill area (up and down...), very fast, but with lots of meanders that rarely have proper profile. Overall I drive there at the edge of losing adherence (what few times almost proved fatal if I would react as typical drivier - by pushing breaks)
Second is not far from the first one, but unlike it this one's extremely narrow and almost completely in forest (I was startled a little when I first found it that some road here can be in forest for such long period). And also hills of course, but this time with very bad surface (not always destroyed, just...unfriendly . You know the pavement kind that Germans builded for example, but of course also good tarmac and destroyed one). Add wet because of dew leafs to it, and you've got whole picture how fun it is (add also to fun factor that you have to hope that somebody else isn't having fun from the other side )
And third one iis just something wonderful (unfortunately I don't have now acces to car that would be adequate to it...but look for wishes below...). In mountains (abyss, etc. - nothing unusual). Mostly wide (not always...), mostly very fast, but with lots of serpentines, partly with perfect profile, but dangerous also. And two best things...no traffic AT ALL and as surface acts superb rubble. Who and why builded it I don't know - probably it was for heavy equipment for cutting of weak, unhealthy (planted 1,5 century ago) monogamic forest many years ago.
Someday, with proper car, I'll go back there (haven't been for many years...)

Which brings me to wishes
Let's see, for some time this or the kind would do good for some time...and thsi as a little bonus...

Overall. I just don't feel excited about high acceleration - sooner or later I get bored with it. The same high speed...on a highway. Half of that speed on the roads I've descrobed above is much more exciting to me.

2nd edit:

Originally posted by Byock

...
What happened to the deep rumble of Cherry Bombs, and Glass packs? Now those sounded mean, these new ones sound horrible...

Hey Byosck, you still have Aston Martin For a price...

Alright, off I go to prepare too many things...

[KvHagedorn]

I must admit, the best exhaust note I've ever heard was from a 1959 Aston Martin DBR1. That car managed to sound raw and powerful and yet highly refined in one exhaust note.. I wish I could buy a real one today.. if one could afford an original they would be too rare and valuable to drive.

[ZokesPro]

Originally posted by Byock
Not just sports cars, what is up with those crappy sounding mufflers kids are putting on Civic's and other rice rockets these days?

What happened to the deep rumble of Cherry Bombs, and Glass packs? Now those sounded mean, these new ones sound horrible...

I installed a Cherry Bomb muffler one my old SOHC 1.9L 85hp Saturn SL1!

(the original was badly rusted and it only cost me 25$ compared to 85$ for a "standard" one, tis why I did it)