SWIII Spoiler & Conversation thread

[Lizzard[MPE]]

But they weren't Skywalkers, their family name was Lars.

i know that but they were still family. the grandfather was married to lukes grandma. they would have to do a whole lot of lying all the time for that. i think it would have just been too confusing. easier to say your father and mother was killed, and weve been raising you.

[Jammrock]

Er... can't keep up.

1) This a galaxy full of people, I'm sure there is more than one Skywalker family. Putting Luke on Tatooine would ensure that Vader would never go look for him there, as he never wanted to return.

2) When a Jedi dies his "life force" thing becomes "one with the force." Qui-go figured out how to maintain your individual conciousness after you die, which allows him (Qui-gon comes back and tells Yoda the secret at some point, or so we're told), Yodi and Obi-wan come back. How Anakin learned it is one of those loopholes.

3) Leah was talking about her adopted mother, which she thought was her real mother (or so I've thought as well). If it was know that she was adopted, and the emperor or Vader did he math, chances are they could have fgured it out. To keep it secret Leah had to be the legitimate daughter of the Organa's.

4) A friend made a good point about Obi-wan losing to Vader the second time. Had Obi-wan won, or escaped, Vader and/or the Emperor would have hunted down Obi-wan. That would have led them to the discovery of Luke and Leah's secret and the Emperor would have new sith apprentices. By dying and keeping his individuality in death he achieved the same end game without risking Luke before Yoda could train him.

5) In the SW extended universe, there was a time when Jedi DID marry and have children. However, their families became too much of a liability. If you know a Jedi is after you, and you know that Jedi will kick our arse, what do you do to get away? Threaten or take his family hostage. In addition, dating, spouses, children, etc. clouded their judgement with too much emotional content. So there came a point in Jedi history that dating, marriage, etc. was banned for Jedi.

6) As for Luke and his lack of training. I read in some expanded universe stuff that Anakin learned things about twice as fast as a normal Jedi did, thus he became a Jedi and a hero of the Clone Wars at such a young age. Luke had an even higher mitocondriaticlorian count than Anakin (I guess the force was with Padme as well) and learned things even faster. So he took in during his brief time with Yoda what would take a normal Jedi years. Later on in the extended universe Luke gains access to Jedi records and training manuals and become a rather ... powerful Jedi.

I think that just about covers it. MURCs #1 Star Wars geek ... out.

Jammrock

[schmosef]

maybe because Luke was actually given to family? and also Leia was given to people in the public view. Luke was basically living on a dirt farm in the middle of nowhere.

Someone can correct me but I don't think that Tatooine was part of the republic either. I think that the Huts controlled the planet and that they didn't keep an accurate census.

[schmosef]

I little bit off topic but I read somewhere that Lucas was originally going for something darker with Star Wars and that Luke's original last name was Starkiller. Anyone know if that was true? If so, does anyone know more about his original plans?

[schmosef]

Here's another question: Why Luke Skywalker? I mean, just imagine what would have happened if Vader got bored and did a search for "Skywalker" in the Imperal Taxpayer Database or whatever? Leia was given the last name of her adopted parents, why not Luke?

I could be wrong but I don't think they had Google long long ago in a galaxy far far away.

But I bet they would have paid an absolute fortune for such a product placement!

Can you imagine? Vader brings up a computer terminal to do some sort of location scan and the Google logo appears somewhere on top! If he would have offered, they would have paid. Big time.

[schmosef]

Hey Jammrock,

In the EU, do they ever talk about the burocratic mess left by Luke, Anakin, and Co. after killing the Emperor? I mean really, he must have had to keep the Senate around as a tool to manage the empire. Who was running the show after Palpatine was killed? Leah?

[Jon P. Inghram]

Somewhere on the DVD it's mentioned that one character concept name was Starkiller, so that's true. Don't forget Return of the Jedi was orignally Revenge of the Jedi too. Also, the first Revenge of the Sith teaser was labeled "Sand dogs," seriously!

[Jammrock]

I little bit off topic but I read somewhere that Lucas was originally going for something darker with Star Wars and that Luke's original last name was Starkiller. Anyone know if that was true? If so, does anyone know more about his original plans?

Aye. The basis for Star Wars was Akira Kurosowa's The Hidden Fortress (fox bought the rights to THF to avoide copyright battles). The Jedi are based on feudal Samurai. I read what was supposed to "the original script" ... the Jedi were mean, cruel, and all around bada$$3$. I don't know if Lucas ever came out and verified whether these were legit, but if your interested I pulled up some Google hits for you:

http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts.htm

http://www.wheelon.com/swscripts/scripts.htm

And a Kurosawa/Star Wars link site:

http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/h/hidden_fortress.html

Jammrock

[schmosef]

What's the significance of "Sand dogs"? I don't get the reference.

[Jon P. Inghram]

Hey Jammrock,

In the EU, do they ever talk about the burocratic mess left by Luke, Anakin, and Co. after killing the Emperor? I mean really, he must have had to keep the Senate around as a tool to manage the empire. Who was running the show after Palpatine was killed? Leah?

In the original Star Wars they say the Emperor has dissolved the Senate. Some lacky asks how he will maintain control without the bureaucracy and someone says the local governors will control the systems with fear of the Death Star keeping everyone under control. As for what happens after they kill the Emperor? Apparently the entire galaxy throws a huge party and then collapses into economic chaos when nobody shows up for work the day after 'cause they're all hungover.

As for the Sand Dogs thing, don't ask me, I'm not Lucas. That's just what the trailer was labeled as, probably an anti-piracy thing.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

Somewhere on the DVD it's mentioned that one character concept name was Starkiller, so that's true. Don't forget Return of the Jedi was orignally Revenge of the Jedi too. Also, the first Revenge of the Sith teaser was labeled "Sand dogs," seriously!

Return of the Jedi was orginally Return of the Jedi. Someone convinced Lucas to change it to Revenge of the Jedi midway through production. Then right before the last minute he realized that The Jedi arent supposed to have any kind of Revenge. So he changed it back.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!#$%@#%^#

[schmosef]

Thanks Jammrock, I will definitely read up on those links!

[Lizzard[MPE]]

Hey, I'm just putting it forward as a possible theory. The way she said "him", and the gesture she made with her eyes, it could be interpreted as her indicating Luke.

Personally, I think assuming she meant Anakin makes more sense, the trouble is that everyone thought he was dead at the time... The more I think about it, the more I want her to have meant Luke, it just fits better.

Ok after consulting with other star wars fans...

She was talking about Anakin... Obi-wan never told her that he killed Anakin. The reason she could not live on was because Anakin was following the Darkside and that was a path she could not follow him down. She still believed Anakin still had good in him though also believing he was still alive.. which he actually was.

[schmosef]

Return of the Jedi was orginally Return of the Jedi. Someone convinced Lucas to change it to Revenge of the Jedi midway through production. Then right before the last minute he realized that The Jedi arent supposed to have any kind of Revenge. So he changed it back.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!#$%@#%^#

Actually...

Lucas could be fibbing but I just read on imdb that Lucas claimed they purposely leaked the name Revenge of the Jedi to try to catch bootleggers making unofficial merchandise and that "any true fan" would know that the name was bogus because, as you said, Jedi don't seek revenge.

Also, the second Star Trek movie was originally name Khan's Revenge, but they changed it to The Wrath of Khan when they found out the leaked name of Lucas' movie (not knowing it was bogus).

[Lizzard[MPE]]

I'm still right.