Saudi Arabia - Denmark, a love story?

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From Cox & Forkum

[Tjalfe]

Unless you can provide an English translation I can't discuss the piece.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1703501,00.html

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Ok, so I stand by what I said before then.

The newspaper wasn't required to publish EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that was sent to them. And they have every editorial right, as a business, to reject something on the basis that it will offend their target consumers. It's not censorship in this case, it's Editorial Privilege. They weren't fearful of their lives. "Outcry" in the Christian sense is obviously not the same as "outcry" in the Muslim sense.

For sure there are newspapers and editors in the West who would feel that those cartoons were completely appropriate for their publication and would print them without giving it a second thought.

It's a pretty safe bet that Christians wouldn't be fire bombing embassies or threatening the lives of the cartoonist. The cartoonist said it himself, he showed it around to several pastors and they thought it was funny. It's not an issue of offending Christians, it was an issue of hurting sales.

The issue of the Mo cartoons is that NO ONE in the MSM was willing to publish any criticism of Islam. Nothing.

There's lots of criticism to be had of Christian and Jewish beliefs. But non of Islamic belief. Is it because Islamic belief is perfect? I don't think so. There's a genuine fear of reprisal. If the Muslim world wants to be a part of the civilized community it needs to learn that it cannot resort to violence as a means to resolve every dispute.

The Danish newspaper was making a point. The point was there there's no dialog to be had about Modernizing Islam. We're always told that Modern Islam exists and that it's fighting just as hard was we are against the Jihadists so where are they? They don't exist.

What irks me the most about this revelation is that it has the possibility of acting like a "get out of jail free card" for the already left leaning European intelligentsia who are currently on the verge of having to acknowledge the deficiencies in their Mid-East policy.

With this knowledge they can, by engineering a false moral equivalency between these two separate editorial decisions, de-legitimize the firm ethical stand of the Danish paper and wipe their hands of the issue.

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He said that he felt Jyllands-Posten rated the feelings of its Christian readers higher than that of its Muslim readers.

It's about time someone took their own side in Europe.

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There's lots of criticism to be had of Christian and Jewish beliefs. But non of Islamic belief. Is it because Islamic belief is perfect? I don't think so. There's a genuine fear of reprisal. If the Muslim world wants to be a part of the civilized community it needs to learn that it cannot resort to violence as a means to resolve every dispute.

They will not learn by encountering craven cowards in the face of their threats. Rather the opposite. Courage, and especially courage in the face of such threat, is the only thing worthy of honor in this world.

Cowards die a thousand deaths. The valiant taste of death but once. -- William Shakespeare

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It's about time someone took their own side in Europe.

I completely disagree with that cartoonist. He's just disgruntled.

He submitted unsolicited cartoons. He had no right to expect them to be printed.

If I submitted cartoons to the Toronto Star and they didn't publish them, I can't go around making gross accusations as to their motive and agenda.

That's just retarded.

[KvHagedorn]

And something that fits those scumbuckets with placards in London:

The coward threatens when he is safe. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[TransformX]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...703501,00.html

This is simply BULLSHIT, read aloud and repeat after me: BULL-SHIT.
And now for why:
The paper ASKED the readers for cartoons about Mohammed and chose the ones it liked best from those which were sent. This time, things came the other way around, angry Muslims did their best to take a punch at other religions (not like they didn't before, only in real life, destroying other religions sacred sites) and then expecting the paper to SERVE them by publishing them. Want them published, open your own paper AND prepare to do some time in Jail for inciting.

http://www.think-israel.org/plaut.selectivedemocracy.html

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A few years ago Tatiana Suskin made leaflets with the offensive image of Mohammed as a pig. She may have been a fanatic, a naif, and perhaps even a bit dangerous. She used poor taste and was vulgar and crude. Yet her poster of the prophet Mohammed as a pig would be protected (if tasteless) speech in any true democracy in the world.

But not in Israel. In Israel, it is a crime for which one does real jail time in hard-core prison, for a period of two years; more than many drug smugglers and rapists get.

Then the political establishment, under the Likud this time, launched a jihad against Arutz-7, the only independent voice of non-leftist political dissent in Israeli broadcasting. First, the station was shut down, then the court announced it would seek to toss the owners into prison for long terms. And now, the government wants to prosecute the Arutz-7 web site owners because a columnist [Gil Ronen, see previous article] wrote an opinion containing point #21.

Zahava Gal-On, the Chief McCarthyist for the Meretz Party, petitioned the Attorney General, Elyakim Rubinstein, to prosecute the web site operators, because the columnist called for expulsion of Palestinians. Of course, Gal-On's own party calls for the mass expulsion of Jews from the West Bank and Gaza, yet they have not been indicted for "racism."

Suskin's case and the jihad against Arutz-7 have been proof of how selective democracy has become in Israel. Ever since the Yitzhak Rabin assassination, the Israeli Left has promoted a unique political philosophy, holding that free speech protection should apply only to leftists, and that expression by non-leftists is criminal incitement and sedition. This was the official position of the Attorney General and the courts under the misrule of Israel's increasingly-fanatic Labor Party and its Marxist Meretz partners.

The Israeli establishment argued that Suskin's actions offend the Moslems. Well, Moslem anti-Semitic speech and actions offend the Jews, or at least all Jews who are not self-hating lemmings. What is worse, porking Mohammed or applauding the Engineer and the mass murderers of Jews? Israeli freedom and democracy are now in serious danger. And from a government led by the party of that great believer in democracy and constitutionalism, Menachem Begin.

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Edited again, found the picture here http://www.masada2000.org/tatiana.html:


Like in Germany, when Democracy brought Nazism, this time it's being abused by Islam.

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Lots of really cool animations here http://aarons.cc/?dbd_day=07-14-2005 (very inciting), so I've decided to link one of them and let you discover all the other cool ones yourselves




Oh, and if you have anything to comment, remember:

[jms]

Hmm, anyone seen this?

We are sorry

Seems to be quite busy.

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Let them hold a rally. Let's see how many people show up.

If the "loud mouthed" radicals are really a minority as they try to suggest then the # of people who show up to "We are sorry's" rally should be staggering.

You're sorry? You bet your sorry.

[JTD]

oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... McCain! Not Mr. Cain.

McCain is a good guy.

No, Mr. Cain - US ambassador to Denmark.

http://www.usembassy.dk/Ambassador/default.htm

I saw the interview on danish tv, and he was werry strong in his support for Denmark.
He stated clearly that he spoke for the US government and that the US govenment was fully behind Denmark.

Here is a short interview with Assistant Secretary of State For European and Eurasian Affairs Daniel Fried: http://www.usembassy.dk/Ambassador/S...uary/Fried.htm

[Nowhere]

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/02/05/we_are_all_danes_now/

http://www.slate.com/id/2135499/

http://www.evz.ro/images/?image_name=20060207caricatura (comic strip of sorts)

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I love to hate Hitchens.

Actually, on most issues I agree with him. Anything that touches Israel though it's like he has to find a negative Israeli example whenever he admonishes the Arabs.

His writing can be hard to penetrate sometimes and I think that this piece is a good example of that.

The Boston Globe piece is interesting. It's well written, clear, and unequivocal. Yet I don't think that the Boston Globe has published the cartoons. Seems a little hypocritical to put yourself out there by calling yourself a Dane but refusing to drink the cool aid.

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from the Dry Bones Blog...

Tuesday, February 07, 2006



This cartoon from 1989 uses "King Solomon and his advisor" to represent the government of Israel.

Way back in 1989, Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini issued an execution order against British author Salman Rushdie and his publishers over the publication of a novel. Then, as now, Iran was angry at the West for its Freedom of the Press. Then as now, Iran dreamed of wiping the Jewish State off the map.

Long before Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Long before the row over "the 12 Danish Cartoons".

Now, in 2006, seventeen years later, the leader of Hizbullah, the Iranian-directed, Lebanese-based, "Palestinian" terrorist gang on Israel's northern border makes the connection, as reported by MEMRI (the Middle East Media Research Institute):

Hassan Nasrallah: "If any Muslim had carried out the fatwa of Imam Khomeini against the apostate Salman Rushdie, those despicable people would not have dared to insult the Prophet Muhammad - not in Denmark, not in Norway, and not in France."

Rushdie
And just in case you think that the cartoons must have been really insulting and outrageously offensive (you'd be wrong), you can find them and other cartoon goodies at Daryl Cagle's Professional Cartoonists weblog, which is a treat to read, even if you're not a professional cartoonist.)