Pitou

[Unam]

Nice to see you are alive Vigilant! I'll take the poke in the good form it was intended, you are correct I misread your original post, many and profuse apologies.

I will stand by the part of my post that relates to your timing or lack thereof.

As far as my limited reading skills, well, it appears that I can read just fine, my comprehension seems to be suffering, I'll study harder next time around. At any rate what is wrong with pictures on a menu?

[RedRed]

Well isnt that nice.... everyone is being polite 'n all!

Group hug, while we wait for details of the p][ and pthe PI with Bells on. or something!

RedRed

[GT98]

Vigilant do you have any info if the Pitou will be using an external power connector like the Radeon 9700 and now the Geforce FX? I'm interested to see how M works that issue.

[borat]

the way i see it is that unless .09 micron provides vaste decrease in power consumption its inevitable untill a higher power agp spec is devised.

[Reckless]

Well, I reckon Matrox sticking rigidly to the AGP spec when the competition hasn't didn't help the Parhelia one bit! Who (consumer side) actually cares about an extra power connector on a video card. As long as you have a spare lead then I don't see why a manufacturer cannot get the maximum from the technology available to themselves. Mind you, having just seen the dual slot nVidia card (+ power connector ) they seem to be way outside the spirit of things! I wonder whether anyone is 'technically' allowed to use the AGP logo if you violate the spec so much?

[RedRed]

It wont matter to Nvidia if they are thrown out of the AGP group (if they were even in it!).

I wonder if the existing P would benefit from a biger HS and some aditional juice.... It might be a smaller peice of engineering to fix the banding issue for a start....
With that heatpipe tech and a big copper cooler, you might well be able to crank a few extra HZ ot of existing stock.... Even before the newer P][ stuff gets put together.....

I must say though having that much of a monster assembly would be quite cool in a PC..... (just so long as I dont need a 500W PSW. ......)


RedRed

[Marshmallowman]

P is supposed to be a Pro card why won't they release a AGP pro version?, extra power and extra room for cooling

[Enak]

I don't believe the type of chip they have used for the P will allow for much more heat... so extra power and extra cooling isn't necessary.

[RedRed]

Marsh -

very few boards have the pro socket - that means a V small catchment area for sales

Enak


RedRed

[Seajnky]

if mb didnt have pro socket couldnt user just use up first pci slot? Small sacrifice for much faster video card.

[Enak]

And then you have to produce two different cards...

[borat]

pro is not hapening as no one really has a pro slot
and pci is legacy

[Ssin]

And what about the fan connector that most motherboard sport so abundantly nowadays. Can't they make some type of 'Y' adpator and let it fit on one of these connectors? Isn't one of those supposed to be more stable than one coming out directly from the Power Supply?

[Ssin]

Originally posted by Wombat
Ssin, you chose a particularly bad example by trying to use Cray to back up your argument.

Back when people bought Cray computers, Cray would send out an installation team on site. Once the equipment was on site, the installation team would connect the components together using <I>precise</I> lengths of wire. The lengths were NOT the shortest length possible - they were measured out to lengths so that integer numbers of bits would fit on the wire at the same time, since the WIRE was pipelined delay, and signal delay was tightly controlled.

Thanks for the enlightment Looks like the information I had was not entirely true. Well, you always find bigger brains than your own around

[Wombat]

Just happens to be near my area of expertise.
&lt<!>------ I helped get that done.

And what about the fan connector that most motherboard sport so abundantly nowadays. Can't they make some type of 'Y' adpator and let it fit on one of these connectors? Isn't one of those supposed to be more stable than one coming out directly from the Power Supply?

Those fan headers usually can't handle anything more than 3W (not nearly enough to help a card out much), and they aren't well protected. I've seen noisy fans throw feedback noise back to the motherboard, and even cause moderate system instability. I've literally pulled the fan plug off of motherboards and had "random" blue screens go away instantly.