Mozilla suggestions (since someone locked the other thread)

[Greebe]

ctl+tab tabs forward & control+shift+tab toggles back.

also page up/down within each window

[Pace]

Yup, and Alt+Shift+Tab does the duties for each window in reverse

[leech]

Originally posted by Pace
IE6 has to be their most compliant browser yet.

Ribbit: I can see why people like tabs, but they aren't all that great Depends on your system as well, DualHead systems etc and high res mean that tabs aren't that great - I prefer tiling

rubank: Phoenix indeed. What Mozilla should've been, and next to IE, is the best browser out. Plus it will probably be top choice for anyone who thinks Bill Gates loves the donkey cock.

Yeah, but it still sucks donkey cock as you put it, compared to the compatibility of Mozilla. MathML anyone?

Leech

[leech]

Or for switcing between tabs.... USE MOUSE GESTURES. no keyboard required Up-left goes back a tab, up-right goes forward a tab, or just up creates a new tab. Right-Left-Right closes tab.

Tabbed browsing rocks. And yes, I have dual-head at 1600x1200 on each, and still prefer tabbed browsing over another window. Best yet, if you feel the need to allow pop-ups, you can have them open in a tab, rather than in seperate window, which gets annoying.

Only drawback to tabbed browsing that I can see is that if your browser crashes, it'll take all of your pages you were browsing with it, but IE has the tendancy to do this as well. Galeon has a restore feature though if it crashes

Leech

[Scumhawk]

I have to say that I agree with Leech on this. I have never liked IE. I love Mozilla with its tabs and gesturs. The only thing I use IE is to update windows and thats only because you have to.

[Pace]

Or use Opera instead

As for IE, it's quite easy to get it to open up each window as a new process.

Tabbed browsing isn't enough of a killer feature - I don't even use it in Phoenix, and only occasionally in Opera.

Leech: I've never used a MathML page ever, or SVG. I'll maybe get round to writing some soon though, and seeing compatibility for that. While IE doesn't stick to the standards, you can almost guarantee that every site on the web works with IE, and is rendered as the author intended. Some CSS isn't supported sure, and some other quirks mean widths across browsers get changed, etc etc, but on the whole IE is the top browser - with tabbed addons if you wish...

P.

[leech]

Originally posted by Pace
Or use Opera instead

As for IE, it's quite easy to get it to open up each window as a new process.

Tabbed browsing isn't enough of a killer feature - I don't even use it in Phoenix, and only occasionally in Opera.

Leech: I've never used a MathML page ever, or SVG. I'll maybe get round to writing some soon though, and seeing compatibility for that. While IE doesn't stick to the standards, you can almost guarantee that every site on the web works with IE, and is rendered as the author intended. Some CSS isn't supported sure, and some other quirks mean widths across browsers get changed, etc etc, but on the whole IE is the top browser - with tabbed addons if you wish...

P.

I still disagree, Mozilla has the advantage of being opensource, so if there ever are any security holes, then they are quite easily fixed and sent upstream, however with IE, you have to wait for MS to get off their butts and fix it. Now here's a nice quite from Windows update:

"This update eliminates all previously addressed security vulnerabilities,
as well as any newly discovered vulnerabilities affecting Internet
Explorer 6 on Windows XP. Download now to protect your computer from
these vulnerabilities."

This one was posted quit a while ago, and yet they still have released more security fixes. I guess this one lied. Oh no, not Microsoft, they couldn't lie, could they? (got to love sarcasm)

Leech

[High_Jumbllama]

Question:

Is there a browser out there that you can right-click drag an internet link to a folder and save there?

[Pace]

In IE you can drag from links on the page, or the address bar to almost anywhere - favourites, start menu, desktop, folders etc.

I have yet to see a browser able to save the target via click and drag.

[TnT]

It's too bad there is really only one guy working on SVG implementation for Mozilla. I've been waiting for good built-in support for a while, hate having to load a plug-in.

I remember when tabbed browsing got introduced into the milestones and unrequested pop-ups was put in through editing prefs.js. Ever since then its been a pain to use any other browser. I've never given Opera a fair shot though, because I used it pretty early on, it kinda sucked, and I haven't tried again.

Question about IE, although I only use it when forced, is there a way to get it so that opening a new window does not load the current page of the other window? That just annoys the hell out of me.

[Marshmallowman]

PACE In mozilla you can drag and drop links wherevere you please.

And to drag the page address grab the icon next to the address in the address bar.

Mozilla is cool, if it was not for mozilla, MS probably would have started charging for IE again

[Pace]

Originally posted by Marshmallowman
PACE In mozilla you can drag and drop links wherevere you please.

And to drag the page address grab the icon next to the address in the address bar.

Mozilla is cool, if it was not for mozilla, MS probably would have started charging for IE again

Did I say Mozilla didn't do that?

[leech]

One thing that IE just absolutely sucks in, is doing CSS.

http://forever-hacking.net/compare.html

Check that page out, it lists what IE can and cannot do compared to Mozilla. This is kind of old too, because it lists mozilla 1.2a, and they're up to 1.3b now.

Leech

[Pace]

Originally posted by leech
One thing that IE just absolutely sucks in, is doing CSS.

http://forever-hacking.net/compare.html

Check that page out, it lists what IE can and cannot do compared to Mozilla. This is kind of old too, because it lists mozilla 1.2a, and they're up to 1.3b now.

IE sucks at CSS? Ahahahaha, really? background-attachment: fixed - we've found the first page I've *ever* seen that uses this in such a manner so that IE displays it wrong. And why was it created - to be a good webpage design? No, specifically to show that IE displays it wrong

As for Mozilla 1.3a, let us see a list of what it adds to that list. And that list looks more like a list of Mozilla features. If I was more interested in wasting time, I'd list IE features that Mozilla doesn't have.

And we wont even start on the number of websites that look "wrong" in Mozilla

P.

[Jessterw]

Love these discussions. Everyone points out what is wrong with others browsers but not their own preferred one.

IE5.5/Mac was the most standards compliant browser when it was released. Now it sucks in a number of areas.

IE6 supports almost every standard that is finalized (as opposed to a recommendation or work in progress), however it does have a number of short comings and it lacks support for some standards (such as MathML). Most of the hacks for IE are for IE5/5.5, but there are still some intended for all IE versions. IE6 is probably the most polished browser in terms of it's UI, though this is gradually becoming a non-issue as Mozilla development progresses.

Mozilla is probably the most well rounded browser in terms of standards support, but even it fails in some areas (background images being one) when it renders a page. Mozilla has the benefit of being based on a fresh code base, whereas IE doesn't (they are still dealing with code from the earlier versions). Tabbed browsing is a wonderful thing that I got hooked on when I used Opera. Mozilla handles this task rather well except for its tendency to still open new browser windows instead of a new tab.

Opera 6 supports a number of standards, but yet fails to to even come close to supporting DOM (something even faithful Opera users will admit). Opera 7 looks to rectify this (once again, with a fresh code base). Opera also goes to show that a browser that costs money can still be successful, and throws a wrench into the whining that IE would cost money if Mozilla wasn't around.


A side question. I wonder how many people that argue about web standards actually write pages/sites that comply with these standards? It's surprising to see how many don't when I've asked this question elsewhere.