What happened to the VigilAnt Rant topic?

[3dfx]

LOL ... good one

[Greebe]

Thats what a I said Greebe Passive smokers

and 3dfx if you had noticed I wasn't quoting ie not addressing you.

i've never heard of 2nd-hand banding before, i hope that isn't a health concern.

The wife doesn't look over your shoulder?

[Tar Pit? ]

Nope that be Secondhand Tar Pit

[Evildead666]

i've never heard of 2nd-hand banding before, i hope that isn't a health concern.

[leech]

2nd-hand banding That's exactly what I was thinking when the analogy to smoking came up. It's something completely different.

I've never had that big of a banding issue. I did the PowerDVD diagnostic with a white background and I could barely notice it, but then again my eyes will do that when I've stayed up all night staring at the monitor. So maybe some of us should take it easy on drinking the caffeine and working on their projects into the wee hours of the night, eh?

Leech

[GNEP]

Basically the banding appears to vary from card to card. Mine is not an issue at all for me - but it sounds like some others have it really badly unfortunately.

[Evildead666]

a·nal·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-nl-j)
n. pl. a·nal·o·gies

- Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar .

A comparison based on such similarity.

Only people who have/use parhelia can complain.
Only people who smoke can complain. (about smoking/ciggies)

[gordo-uk]

Ok evil, you say you would have bought a P had it not been for all the problems. That of course is the right attitude, I would not buy a card that had lots of problems.

But because you have not got one, you have no idea just how many problems it actually has remaining and you don’t know how good this card really is, the banding issue is very serious for some people, I wont dispute that, I myself have never seen it and I have had a P with a three monitor setup since it was released.

Every driver that comes out improves things, the BF1942 text issue is no longer a problem for me, numerous other games have been fixed or improved, I only have two issues, a lack of speed is not an issue for me, 1) ansio is far to slow, I use Trilinear instead 2) 16xFAA does not work right in some games, so I switch it off, but I would use it in all games if it worked right.

That’s it, maybe I am lucky and have a good card, but I am not the only one. Read the review on nvnews (there is a link on the front page of matroxusers), the P is a good card evil.

PACE, The PIT, yes you have the right to an opinion, but your opinion is hollow, until you see it with your own eyes, until you use it in anger, you have no idea how bad the P is and if the P is any good or not. I hope you two are just as vocal on the Rage3D forums about the Radeon 9700 stutter problem and lack of AA in 16Bit, after all, you don’t need a radeon to complain about it.

[drslump]

I feel left in the cold with this situation.

The main problem as I see it is that if Parhelia doesn't sell well nobody will really make a big effort to optimize games for it. Instead they will concentrate in make the nv MX and ATIs nonPro cards run the game smoothly.
In this situation parhelia will get older for gaming very fast.
Matrox driver-dev can not really optimize games for speed, they only can fix bugs. So my point is that maybe at the end of 2003 we will not be able to play the next doom3 engine based game at a decent resolution with a decent frame rate (30-35fps).
But oh well, you don't buy a parhelia only for gamming but with the banding effect triple/dualhead is of any use when having 3d running (at least in my case, I have to swith off the second head)

Maybe I should ask matrox for a couple of digital monitors since it seems the only way to fix the banding

edit : spelling

[gordo-uk]

Originally posted by drslump
I really left in the cold with this situation.

The main problem as I see it is that if Parhelia doesn't sell well nobody will really make a big effort to optimize games for it. Instead they will concentrate in make the nv MX and ATIs nonPro cards run the game smoothly.
In this situation parhelia will get older for gaming very fast.

I agree, you are completely right.

[B]
Maybe I should ask matrox for a couple of digital monitors since it seems the only way to fix the banding
[B]

probably why I have never seen the banding problem, my main screen is a 17" digital lcd.

[Yannick]

Did you flash your car's software ?

Originally posted by Evildead666
Think of it as a car: Would u buy a car, knowing that it had a few engine problems?
Hey, my cars great, brand new. You get in and notice the speedo doesn't work.

Off-topic remark :

What's funny nowadays is when you buy a car and find that the engine is not working like it should, and the company solves the problemby simply flashing the car's software. (Heard about such occurence once).

[Reckless]

you may laugh but I had a car exactly like that. I was given pre-release engine management code to help stop it stalling, did it work..... yeah right I got rid of the car 18 months later.

[Yannick]

The example I was referring to was a batch of cars whose engines would sometimes lack some power at high rotation speeds. Quite a problem since it was the 'sports'-like version of the car. But it got neatly fixed by upgrading the car's software.

[knirfie]

ehhhh what did I miss?

[The PIT]

Originally posted by gordo-uk
PACE, The PIT, yes you have the right to an opinion, but your opinion is hollow, until you see it with your own eyes, until you use it in anger, you have no idea how bad the P is and if the P is any good or not. I hope you two are just as vocal on the Rage3D forums about the Radeon 9700 stutter problem and lack of AA in 16Bit, after all, you don’t need a radeon to complain about it.

Who cares about lack of 16 bit AA very few I think about one person has been complaining about it. Radeon stutter problem I don't have that problem at all everything nice and smooth with everything maxed out. I've got an Radeon 8500 sitting around doing nothing Radeon 9700 a G550 and my old G400 at work. My G550 has the best IQ of them. While the P suffers from banding it can't be the best card out there. I ain't complaing just stating a fact that goes against your flawed logic.

[Pace]

Gordo, I thought you were ignoring me? Ah well.

So...if I was going to buy a Radeon 9700 (and I might consider it), then I'd go see what issues there are regarding it.

3dfx, Gordo: If you were going to buy a Parhelia now, would you not rather know that there's no chance of getting banding? You're damn right I don't know how bad it is, but I'm still actually thinking about buying one. The incentive is getting bigger and bigger