Its Time! ..Who should be the next President?

[LAMFDTK]

Awwww its just political Smmmazzz. Gurm and myself are pals and even if he doesn't have a clue about what Pat Buchanan stands for that isn't going to change a thing . I love this stuff. Can you tell? Video card wars are "Bush league" ! I love to see what and how people think and why.

I off to this:
10/5/00 7:00 PM eastern
Buchanan Rally
Northern New Jersey Convention and Expo Center
97 Sunfield Avenue
Edison, NJ 08837

See you there Gurm!

Sorry to tie you into the Gore Vote Joel

[HedsSpaz]

Well, seeing as how I know very little about Buchanan, and honestly care even less, I'll rant about Nader and Browne for a few minutes. Nader kinda bothers me, I've heard a number of media selected quote of his. Now admitedly the media is out to get the most reaction, and to do so they usually choose the most radical quotes they can get there hands on. However, because of this you can usually get a good idea of just how far a person wants to go. The result of this is that I'm not so sure about Nader anymore. I think it would be intersting to see what woudl happen if he manages to carry even one state.

As for Browne, well, I generally consider myself a libertarian. And I would vote for Browne if I thought it would do any good. But it won't, and Al Gore is an idiot, and I at least have some agreement with Bush's ideas, while despising every last one of Gore's ideas, and so chances are I will vote for Bush.

Having said that, I would like to see the Libertarian party make some headway. What I think they need to do though is stop going for the big fish every time. They need to start smaller, snag a senate seat or a house seat. Grab the governorship of some state from there. But don't start with the presidency, it ain't gonna happen, and the problem is, it needs to. We need some radical change in this country, but to get there people need to get used to the ideas first, instead of just flinging a bunch of fudd around every four years that 90% of everyone ignores.

On a completely seperate note, Joel, I think religion also has the potential to bring people together as well.(not that it works that way very often mind you ) Politics though, unless we all suddenly wake up tommorow and agree on everything(no way in hell that's gonna happen), then I think we are just going to have to live with the plague for a while longer.

Ok, enough rambling, time to go home.

Ian

[Joel]

So what are you trying to say, Joel? Because I go to church I'm suddenly your enemy?

No, that is not what I said and it saddens me to think that that's what you thought I said.

What do you have against Church, huh?

Nothing, I never said otherwise.

I think religion also has the potential to bring people together as well.

I never said it didn't.

Joel

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[Joel]

I disagree with you about this statement.

So if you plan on doing well for yourself and would like to leave a little something for your kids (and not the Government) go for Bush. If you are the kind that likes to stand around with your hand out, and expect the Government to take care of you Gore is your man.

Especially the generalization that anyone wanting Gore is expecting a hand out.

But I do agree with you about the inheritance tax issue. To me that is double taxation without represenation.The only part that should be subject to taxes is that part that would have been tax if the person was still alive and liquidated all his assets. I other words income earned that was never taxed in the first place.

Joel

[Bixler]

Father:

Hang in there...lurkers understand.

Moderation is the key.

[Pneumatic]

Joel, I was only kidding. That was a veiled attempt at humor. I HAD a winking, smiley face at the end of the message, but I revised it a bit and left it off of the revision by accident. Sorry about the implication. It was tounge in cheek I assure you.

Here's the smiley face that I left off of the first message. Sorry, Joel.

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[Joel]

Well thanks for clearing that up because I was starting to feel bad about maybe being misinterputed. Sometimes I find it hard to put into written word exactly what I mean. Written composition were never my strong point.

Joel

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[Thundrchez]

I, too, wish that there were a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" category. I would really like to see how many people are completely fed up with the crap coming from both of the main political parties.

However, I'll probably end up voting straight down the Libertarian line.

Several years ago Ronald Reagan changed political parties. I think that his quote was something like "I didn't leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left me." I feel the same way about the Republican party, and I don't think I'm alone in that. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Republican congressmen, or maybe even a senator, switched to the Libertarian party.

[Joel]

I bet if we did have a 'NONE OF THE ABOVE' category on the ballot we would probably see the largest turn out for an election ever.

Joel

BTW: Where can I find more information on the Libertarian party's platform?

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[LAMFDTK]

Michael Moore is running a Ficus Tree against unchallenged house and senate seats. Sort of none of the above.

I just got back from the Buchanan rally here is LeftWing NJ, and had a great time hearing the best political speaker in the land. I shook his hand and wished him well for you Gurm! He was great. The last social consevative that will stand up and speak from the heart, with the same core beliefs that he has had for years. I agree with a lot of his platform, I am not a zealot nor a have I drank the koolaid. At least he stood firm on the support for the Boy Scouts. Some how they don't seem like a hate group to me!

Harry Browne wants to make all drugs legal. I have a big-ass bone to pick on that subject.

[paulcs]

I just spent the week in the great state of Tennessee. I'm votin' Gore and so will your wives. (Oh yeah. Well, they're lying.) Nyah.

Bush is a big fat dummy and you're all a bunch of mean old men.

The tax man is coming and he's coming for you guys.
Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[paulcs]

Buchanan on Jews:

"If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him, 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic...it's deep within them,' when he declares this 'is not a fight between Catholics and Jews,' he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume role of defender of the faith."

Buchanan on Hitler:

"Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."

An interesting column Buchanan wrote on John Demjanjuk and the holocaust:
http://www.realchange.org/holocaus.htm

"The most notorious lines in this article are his comments on the Treblinka death camp:

"Finally, the death engine. During the war, the underground government of the Warsaw Ghetto reported to London that the Jews of Treblinka were being electrocuted and steamed to death.

"The Israeli court, however, concluded that the murder weapon for 850,000 was the diesel engine from a Soviet tank which drove its exhaust into the death chamber. All died in 20 minutes, Finkenstein swore in 1945.

"The problem is: Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody. In 1988, 97 kids, trapped 400 feet underground in a Washington, DC tunnel while two locomotives spewed diesel exhaust into the car, emerged unharmed after 45 minutes."


Pat Buchanan on civil rights during his salad days:

"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."

Pat Buchanan, in a memo to Richard Nixon, on African Americans and poverty.

"...integration of blacks and whites -- but even more so, poor and well-to-do -- is less likely to result in accommodation than it is in perpetual friction, as the incapable are placed consciously by government side by side with the capable."

Pat Buchanan on apartheid:

"...white rule of a black majority is inherently wrong. Where did we get that idea? The Founding Fathers did not believe this."

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net




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[Gurm]

Frank,

I was all set to continue being conciliatory, but do you realize that Buchanan endorsed an article on his website that accused Hillary Clinton of being an Israeli spy?

The link is:
http://www.jcn18.com/election/tofall.htm

I did some more poking and am finding the man's anti-Jew, pro-nazi, and holocaust revisionist statements more and more disturbing. Just so that you know.

I always try to be as informed as possible. And your assertions that perhaps Buchanan wasn't as bad as I made out bothered me. So now that I've checked up on him, I reassert my original claim, modified a little:

Buchanan is a CLOSET Nazi.

- Gurm

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[Gurm]

Joel,

I had something REALLY pithy to say, that was going to build on your joke. But, I haven't had my coffee yet so while I was waiting for the reply box it was lost - most likely forever.

Oh, the agony.

- Gurm

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[paulcs]

Joel is right. That was the most expensive blowjob in history. Its aftermath cost every single American about 33 cents each.

Hmmmm. Put that way, it almost seems worth it.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

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