Their they go to there lair

[Joel]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I suspect that this paradox explains why "one room schoolhouses” do so well.
With no "slots" to trap kids in, they can learn at there own rate and help each other.</font>

It probably would be good if we could go back to that setup. Which kind of helps with my next point. That I also feel that another problem with the system was the move away form community schools. By busing children all across town and back again it made it harder for parents to be involved, so a lot of them ended up expecting more out of the system. There is a big push starting around here locally for the move back to community schools. With our living communities in some areas being as diversed as they are the busing of children is not needed. I'm fortunate that I do live in one of these types of communities. We live two miles away from the school that my daughter goes to and so does all the other kids that live around us. We are able to be very involved and when there is a school function we are not having to drive all the way across town to get there. The teachers there also live in this general area, and as such it is not uncommon to run into one them at the store or the gas station.

But you know what I really feel is the ultimate problem with our public education system. The US Government's involvement. As you stated that different kids learn at different rates so do children in different regions. So with the US Government's centralizing of education regulations they are also not taking this into account. So IMO for the systems to truly change and get back to what it is suppose to do and that is to educate are children it will have to start at the top by them turning control of the system back over to the local level. And control is a hard thing to give up.

Joel


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[cjolley]

As you know Joel, bussing was started for a very good reason.
It might be that it can be cut back now, but, if so, it should be done very carefully.

Also, people talk about Federal involvement in local schools, but I'll bet you can't name a single curriculum related regulation.
They all pertain to federal funds for lunches and headstart and the like, or constitutionally driven programs like the end to segregation.
chuck

PS Federal funding for education amounts to less than 10% of educational funding in the US.

[Technoid]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cjolley:
"small matchbox" =
streischholtzsactlschen -> strike wood container + ling (diminutive)
chuck</font>

Oh my god I almost died of luaghter when I tried to pronounce that word.

[Technoid]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cbman:
To bad having a public funded education system disallows you to pick the teacher of differing subjects.

Example :

Mr (Dr but he hated that). Greig - Math Teacher, PhD BS etc. etc., Teaching high school math... he looked like a hippy.. he loved Frank Zappa... and he could teach a rock calculus and advanced trig.

Mr. Macfe - Computer Teacher, Credential's Unknown, Smelt of Booze. Had a flask in his desk. Incoherant, and the list goes on.

Dr. Jackson - PhD Chemistry and Master in Physics, Taught General and Advanced Physics only as the school hired a woman for chemistry that had the worst teaching style ever with only teachers college and had Chemistry as a hobby. The difference between the two was night and day and that was reflected in my marks (OAC Physics 92%, OAC Chemistry 66%) </font>

My physics Teacher never used a tothbrush and could have killed most of the monsters in Unreal by opening his mouth and breathing at them

[Guyver]

Can anyone join in?

There, there, they're there, by their chair.

Couldn't resist.

Guyver

[Guyver]

As far as teachers go, my fiance is an Early Childhood Special Education Teacher.

The problem with her job, is that there is so much paperwork, that she barely has time to try and teach her kids anything.

Examples...

Denver reports, IEPs, PLEPs, and about 5 other types of reports, plus weekly staff meetings, plus standard report cards, plus parents progress reports. Add to that daily journaling of events on each child, and daily testing for some of these reports. Many of these reports contain the same, or similiar information, but they cannot be merged, or generated via a common form.

She gets up around 5:00AM, and leaves for work at 7:00AM, leaves for home around 4:30PM, and works on her reports, and class preparations until around 11:00PM or later.

She then has to give up some weekends for home-visits with parents, and often has to pick up the parents for parent-teacher conferences as the parents either don't drive, don't own a vehicle, or are drunk by 7:30AM (she had one parent vomit in her car on the way to the parent-teacher conference).

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason that one person should have to do all of this, with very little pay.

Then add in the demands of the parents.

Examples: One parent asks, can you potty train my child, I'm too tired at night to do that, so I leave him/her in diapers (at 4 yrs of age). Another problem child (Oh yeah, they always fight at night, but I can't do anything about that, I just couldn't stop the fights (these are 3 and 4 year olds we're talking about) - so the parent says that she will just push them on to Kindergarten, and let someone else worry about them )...

Frustrated at the apparent lack of interest, and/or indifference to their children's future, that some parents show.

Guyver

[SteveC]

Ah, but the all important question - is it 'May-trocks' or is it 'Matt-rocks' ?

------------------
Cheers,
Steve

"Life is what we make of it, yet most of us just fake"

[Guyver]

Steve?!? - You know that this has already been decided - a long long time ago, in this current galaxy.

It's Matt-Rocks (or Mat-Trocks)..

Although I still say "May-Trox".

Guyver

[cjolley]

Is it:
The G800 will be my next graphics card
or
The G800 would be my next graphics card?
chuck

[Joel]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">As you know Joel, bussing was started for a very good reason.
It might be that it can be cut back now, but, if so, it should be done very carefully.</font>

I know and I agree. And if we do continue to move back toward the community schools then it is absolutely imperative to make sure that they are equally fund and held equally accountable. Plus we as parents need to be able to have a greater choice within our public education system. What I mean is if you have more smaller schools and eliminate the district restraints then parents could send their kids to the school that they feel is best for the child. This would create competition among the schools and we know that competition tends to make a product better and in this case that product is our children's education. Don't mean to sound so blunt about it but if you think about is that not the ultimate goal. Higher education does why can't lower education?

I know this may sound like a very radical idea but some great thing have come out of what was considered a radical idea.

Joel

[cbman]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cjolley:
Is it:
The G800 will be my next graphics card
or
The G800 would be my next graphics card?
chuck</font>

It should be answer A.

That is unless you have some sort of additional information to add to the second as would is often used as an "excuse" conjoiner (Ok I made that last word up )

e.g.

I will get a Matrox G550 as my next graphics solution

I would get a Matrox G550 as my next graphics solution. (Its, It's ) just that I don't have any money.

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[Joel]

Hey Guyver,

I know what you are talking about. My older sister was a school teacher.

Joel

[HollyBerri]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cjolley:
Is it:
The G800 <u>will</u> be my next graphics card
or
The G800 <u>would</u> be my next graphics card?</font>

Well, it will be your next graphics card if you buy no other before it comes out, but most likely you mean it would be your next graphics card, if in fact we had some assurance that it will ever be available-- but we do not have any such assurance, so you probably will buy some other card.

Right?



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[cjolley]

Oops!
I for got choice #3:

3, None of the above

chuck

Well, I can dream can't I?

[Jorden]

The bussing to school thing is something that has always amazed me. I think it's a good job as well, especially if you look around here in Holland. If it rains, parents jump in their car with their kids, and drive them to school and pick them up after school, even if they just live two blocks from school!!

I think that stinks. I had to walk and cycle to school every day, no matter what kind of weather. If you want to teach your kid to stand up for him-/herself, you don't bring them to school in a car!! No matter how bad the weather!! If you don't want them to get lost, walk them to school !!

Luckily, lately, the police is checking the schools, and fining cars that are double parked or parked close to entrances to the schools. I think that's a good idea. Let the parents suffer!

Hmmm, bussing is a good idea then as well. Although I do see one kid I know from the school I worked on, go to school every damn day, with his bike. He has to cycle a good 5 km (about 2.5 miles) to get there. If the weather is really bad, he's taking the normal city busses.

Now, tell me what could be wrong with that

Jord.