Their they go to there lair

[Joel]

Jorden,

We are not talking about the short 15 min to the local school busing. We are talking about the 1 hour type rides that carries the child clear across town. This is something that Holly may be able to explain to you better than I can on the forums.

Joel

[Jorden]

I don't need her explanation for that, Joel. I understand American bussing/busing(?) and even applaud it!

Jord.

[Joel]

So you think it is OK for childern to have to spend as much as 2 hours a day or more on a school bus?? I can think of alot better things that the child could do instead.

Joel

[Jorden]

Hum no, I can think of better things for kids to do as well, but for sitting in a bus for 2 hours a day.

If the kid would live closer to school, he would walk or take his bicycle.
If he lives in the neighborhood of a busstop for school-busses, and it would take him more than an hour to go to school, it might be that he's taking the wrongs bus, if there's more than one busstop in his neighborhood.

Look, if I take a bus here in Holland to anywhere else, it will take me longer than going by car. Because busses may not drive harder than 80km/h (50m/h), they tend to be slow. Plus they have to stop at every stop someone wants to get on/off. So a busride to Breda for instance, as example from me, would take me more than 30 minutes, which is faster than I would do with a bicycle, but slower if I went there with a car (15 minutes)!

Jord.

[Rags]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If the kid would live closer to school, he would walk or take his bicycle.
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Uhhh....yeah. Tell the parents to suck it up, sell their home and move into a school zone. Good answer

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">If he lives in the neighborhood of a busstop for school-busses, and it would take him more than an hour to go to school, it might be that he's taking the wrongs bus, if there's more than one busstop in his neighborhood.</font>

LOL! Jorden, you have no idea, just stop now before it gets worse .

The act of busing isn't the problem, Jorden. It's the act of making one's child go to a school that is FAR, FAR away from his home while there is a perfectly fine school in your own community/area. It takes a lot of control out of parent's hands and puts them in the school's. It also makes it hard on many parents to participate with their children in school activities.

Rags

[cjolley]

Oh, I don't know.
There are millions of rural kids who have long bus rides.
They and there parents seem to muddle along somehow.
chuck

[spazm_1999]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cjolley:
There are millions of rural kids who have long bus rides.
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Yeah i've seen that. I had the choise to take the bus or to take a ride with my mom when she was going to work (it was about 2 street of where my school was). The shortest bus trip I could had was ~2h when it was ~12mins with the car. I'm not the only one like that. I had one of my friend who had a class at 3pm ending at 5:50pm.... the last bus was passing at 6... and he was only home at 7:45 sometimes 8:30.... that really sucked.

Spazm

[Rags]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cjolley:
Oh, I don't know.
There are millions of rural kids who have long bus rides.
They and there parents seem to muddle along somehow.
chuck</font>

I live in the heart of rural America, in Wyoming where we have the largest percentage of students living in a rural setting. There is a huge difference between choosing to live in a rural area where you can take a twenty minute drive to go participate in school activities than having to spend an hour or two dealing with traffic, interstates, turnpikes, offramps, and parking to accomplish the same thing. BIG DIFFERENCE!
And remember it's not just about the bus ride, it's also about the parent's trip.

EDIT:
Just thought I would also add that there are no other choices other than home schooling in the majority of these cases too.
/EDIT
Rags




[This message has been edited by Rags (edited 20 May 2001).]

[KvHagedorn]

Things are mightily screwed up in the whole western world. The problems will never be solved because no one has the balls to face them. And that's that.

Guyver, your wife should quit her job. So should every teacher. There's really no point anymore. The only things kids will learn in this country is that money counts. Only money counts. If you care about anything but money, you must be gay or something. And what do you do if you want to make lots of money? Hmm.. looking around at the absolute anarchy that the world has become, kids would decide they need to be drug dealers, professional sports people, movie stars, or whatever.. that's if they aren't too bright. If they are bright, they will want to be doctors or lawyers. If they become doctors, it will be for the money, not because they care about healing sick people. If they become lawyers, it will be for the money, because who cares about justice anyhow? It's all about who is rich anyway. Screw justice, go for the bucks.

Why has it come to this? The wrong people have babies. Responsible people decide not to bring children into this fvcked up world, so things just get worse. Women with emotional problems decide they need to have a child to give their lives meaning, so they screw any likely guy for their sperm. Parents who want to contribute can't, because the world will inevitably have more sway over their kids than they possibly can. While they are working overtime to pay the cable bill and the bill for that 50 inch big screen TV, their kids are coming home alone from school and learning about the world from Jerry Springer.

Just give it up. There's no hope. No one, and certainly no politician, has the guts to step on anyone else's toes, at least in the US. And this would have to be done to solve these problems, so screw it. It can't be done. Nobody has any values anymore, so even if someone DID have the power to do something, they couldn't. And all the bullsh!tting in the world won't do anything to change that.

[cbman]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by KvHagedorn:


1)no one has the balls to face them. And that's that.

2)If you care about anything but money, you must be gay or something.

3)Women with emotional problems decide they need to have a child to give their lives meaning, so they screw any likely guy for their sperm.

4)Just give it up. There's no hope. No one, and certainly no politician, has the guts to step on anyone else's toes, at least in the US.

Nobody has any values anymore, so even if someone DID have the power to do something, they couldn't. And all the bullsh!tting in the world won't do anything to change that.</font>

I can't tell how serious you are being with the post (Probably very... but I read it for the entertainment value.)

But here is my response :

1) I have balls... two of them, and I am not afraid to use them

2) I care about money but I care more about my wife and family and friends than money. Maybe if I had more money it would be different.. but more than likely not. (P.S. Kids at school used to think I was gay )

3) Hmmm.. So that was what she wanted... and she said she liked me

4) Checks and Balances meant to make the system fair and prevent giving someone too much power also contributes I think (We have that problem in Canada too. Alot of good things don't happen because of party politics

Just my two cents

[cjolley]

KvH,
You are so wrong. This is the time to suck
it up and do something!
My wife is doing just that.
We are takeing a $35,000/year family income cut so she can go back to school to become a teacher.
I suspect that it will end up with us both being teachers.
That is where the need is.
chuck

PS. Rags, both of the districts I was a teacher in were rural. So rural that they had to share me to afford a science teacher.
One had a graduating class of only 12 students, the other 35.
I spent my lunch hour driving the 20 minutes from one to the other.

[KvHagedorn]

It's good to hear that some people still have such charity in their hearts..

Unfortunately, kids see a culture that rewards a convicted murderer and a convicted rapist more for 10 minutes of beating the living sh!t out of someone than ten teachers make for a lifetime of dedicated work. How can anyone disagree that our values are all out of whack when this is considered acceptable? (I'm talking about Don King and Mike Tyson there of course.. Don King was on a talk show once and gave that tired old "only in America" line about his success.. he murdered someone in the 60s, paid his little jail time and got out.. now he's a multimillionaire because he has a big mouth and a bad haircut.. made me very sad at how some people have twisted the great ideals that were once America.)

Anyone who pays $50 to watch a fight on pay-per-view and then complains about the taxes that are used to educate his kids is beneath contempt, IMHO. You see.. the money is there, it's just spent on the wrong things. Yeah, that's a value judgement. I dare anyone to argue with me about it.

I heard something about Germany, that teachers are required to have master's degrees, and are paid about twice what teachers get here. If this is true, it is truly shameful that we cannot offer our own kids the same in the U.S. Can any Europeans tell us if their experience with their own teachers was better than many of us here in the U.S.? Are there any true morons who get to teach school over there? I can tell you, our school system was rife with them as I was growing up. I was lucky my parents took some responsibility and read to me when I was small. My mother never let me get away with poor grammar, either. But I am an only child, and we live in a "Democracy." If Jim Bo Bob and his sister Darla Sue have 10 mongoloid brats who all mangle the language and all other principles of logic, then right becomes wrong and wrong becomes right and anything I or any of us here might say doesn't count, because we are outvoted in favor of a culture created by the majority, which consists largely of these knuckle-dragging Neanderthals who want to spend their money on fights and beer and cigarettes and say "who needs book learnin' anyway? Never did me no good!" (How's that for a run-on sentence? )

[cjolley]

I've been assuming that a German speaker in the bunch would come in and save me from my spelling.
Where is every one?
Maggi?
"streischholtzsactlschen" OMFG!
chuck

[cjolley]

KvH,
You got in while I was typing.
It's not charity at all.
Our house is paid for, and our retirment mostly funded (I'm on my third career) so the money is not as important as it one was.
Teaching realy is fun, if you love the subject.
chuck

PS The pay may not be good, but the vacation set up is wonderfull

[Liquid Snake]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by KvHagedorn:
Unfortunately, kids see a culture that rewards a convicted murderer and a convicted rapist more for 10 minutes of beating the living sh!t out of someone than ten teachers make for a lifetime of dedicated work</font>

Hey, you're reffering to "most kids," right? Not "all kids?" Because I'm not one of these "kids."