Jenna and Barbara Bush Are Getting Screwed

[Greebe]

I agree Chuck, but with one reservation. They are the First family and being such are role models for the entire nation whether they like it or not. The book should be thrown at her not simply because what she has done, but because if they don't (in public view) the nation will look at this case as tho she's been given special preferential treatment (due to position) and that will haunt the president for a long time to come.

Sure I got drunk as a kid (@her age), shit I almost even killed myself once doing so back then (ya idiot). But it was very rare (5 times if not mistaken in my pre 21 days).

BTW Georgie the II, don't ever pull a bonehead responce like telling the media to drop it. The whiplash effect will eat you alive. D'oh!

[KvHagedorn]

Was Slick Willie supposed to be a role model? Just to prove he wasn't above the law, did he get the book thrown at him when he lied to a Federal Grand Jury?

I think we should treat Jenna as the private citizen she wants to be. George almost didn't run for President because of his daughters' objections to becoming public fodder. If the President's relatives are supposed to be role models, how did we survive Billy Carter or Roger Clinton? Look at the ocean of Kennedy rapists and killers who get off blameless. Jenna and Barbara are angels compared to the litany of criminal Democrats that have slithered through the past 40 years. As a matter of fact, they are angels compared to most human beings. The Watergate burglars did time, and if Nixon had not been pardoned, he too may have. Did Bill Clinton do time for perjury? Did Ted Kennedy do time for Chappaquiddick? You want to let murderers keep their powerful positions in government, yet throw the book at a couple of nineteen year old unelected private citizens for drinking beer? Republicans may indeed have done terrible things, Mike, but that does not mean Democrats are any better. They are just protected by a shield of liberal media bosses.

I think asking George to have his daughter treated more harshly than any other teenager would be, as a burnt offering to the supposedly all-powerful media, is a rather biased viewpoint. I think, in the view of the public, this is something very minor. The view of the media is not the view of the public, Mike, and you should know better than to imply that it is. The media SHOULD just drop it. It is a case of absolutely no consequence to anyone but those who are looking for eggs to throw at the President because he is a Republican. And if that's the best they can do, it's pretty damned pathetic.



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[Joel]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Did you pay dearly for your lawlessness, Joel?</font>

If I had gotten caught I would have but I wasn't thinking about that at the time.

KvHagedorn,

Try going and rereading my post again and try to notice the sarcasm that I tried to put into them. I personally think this is all stupid too. I mean why are they willing to send an 18 year old into war to kill someone but not allow him/her to drink until they are 21? Is three years going to really make a difference in how the consumption of alcohol affects a person? And if it is an issue of them being too immature, because of their age, to drink responsibly and acted accordingly then why do we have so many DUI arrest of people over 21.

And you're right. The new media is controlled by the liberals and as such things like this are going to spread like wildfire. That is unfortunate.

I just wish they(the federal government) could get past this Democrat vs Republican shit. And us too for all that matters.

Joel

[KvHagedorn]

Here, here, Joel! Especially on your last comment.

I think the real problems with alcohol are driving after consuming too much and addiction. Thankfully, most people don't suffer from the addictive properties, though too many do. Where we should be tough and throw the book at people is when they habitually drive while drunk. People driving while extremely tired is an equally bad problem, with often the same results. In America, where everything is often so spread out, we are too often faced with having to drive somewhere when we really shouldn't be doing so. There just isn't enough support for people who need a ride or a place to crash until they can drive. The "Friends don't let friends drive drunk" ad campaign has done a lot of good, I believe. People talk more now about having hidden a friend's keys so he couldn't leave in his inebriated state. That's the best prevention we could think of, to be a real friend, be a designated driver, offer the couch to your buddy to sleep it off, whatever it takes at that level to keep tragedy from occurring. The age thing is totally arbitrary, and I can personally attest to the anger and frustration people feel between 18 and 21, when they are expected to shoulder the responsibilities of an adult without being able to enjoy the benefits.

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Kind Regards,

KvH

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[SCompRacer]

I have a good friend that was addicted to alcohol many years ago. When most knew it was time to quit drinking for the day, he was just getting started. Try to get his keys and you had a fight on your hands.

One day his wife called me, and she was sobbing hysterically. My buddy threatened to kill her and the kids. I went over there and he was sitting on the floor in the middle of his garage with a hammer and a loaded shotgun nearby. He threatened to kill me too if I came in. I did anyway, and he dropped the hammer and ended up crying in my arms. He went to an AA meeting that week and continues to attend, helping others. He had made it.

That memory from over 22 years ago still haunts me to this day.

[az]

You're truly a friend!

AZ

[SCompRacer]

Thanks, az. My wife kept telling me he was an alcoholic, and I used to defend him saying he just likes to have a good time. He was a riot to be around, a happy drunk. Over time he got meaner though, but I still refused to believe he had a big problem till that day.

[Greebe]

Chuck Chuck Chuck... Georgie the first was also part of Watergate... remember he also headed up the CIA prior to Reagan.

Slick Willie's biggest problem was that he couldn't keep his *ick in his pants. And then of course there was that republican twit whom dropped 60 mil on trying to blame the Whitewater scandel on him, only to find him guilty of getting head by a White House bimbo. Talk about the fleecing of America. Geesh


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[Jorden]

Matt

Btw, no-one said hi and welcome to Bugsy? Where are your manners moderators?

Hi Bugsy, and welcome to the MURC

Jord.

[KvHagedorn]

Mike, if you can show me a source which, unlike this one, can give an unbiased and factual account of George Sr.'s involvement with Watergate, that's fine. The Watergate affair was a burglary and coverup. I don't see it as being nearly as bad as what was done to Robert Bork, or its direct antecedent, the McCarthy hearings. McCarthyism continues in crazed writings like the one I posted a link to above. The fanatical partisanship we see today was started by the unworthy Republican McCarthy, and the backbone of the liberal television media machine, which was being built at the same time as the McCarthy hearings, saw it as their purpose to counter him. While McCarthy died in 1957, his radical left wing counter continued on, as institutions are wont to do, forever looking for another "enemy" to emerge from the Republican party which they could pounce upon. When Judge Robert Bork, perhaps the greatest legal mind ever produced by this country, was subjected to the same treatment McCarthy dealt out, there was no media to come to his aid, because the damned myopic bastards would not allow that Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden could be modern day McCarthys. How could they? They were Democrats! And everyone knows that Democrats are the party of light and truth and all goodness, don't they?

Tell me what gives these sophomoric ****oles the gall to compare George Bush Sr. to Caligula? They discredit themselves before they even get past the title of their introduction! I don't like fanatics, which is my excuse for shunning the Democratic party today. The Bork Hearings have made me the lifelong enemy of the kind of politics practiced by Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden during those same hearings. Biden actually wants to run for President in 2004. But I remember what you did to Robert Bork, Joe. Tailgunner Joe Biden will have my absolute and most vocal opposition if and when he has the insulting affrontery to run for President.

You see, there is evil on both sides, Mike. I choose to fight the evil which has no enemy in the press, because the lies woven into the very fabric of society (lies which, as an impressionable child, I believed) by these media boss monsters needs to be countered. They may have been young and sincere in their wishes to be virtuous back in the 50s, when the evil of Joe McCarthy was there to be fought, but now they are just a bunch of myopic automatons, unconcerned with justice and thoroughly conditioned to believe in the viewpoint in which they have so much invested.

[Joel]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I don't like fanatics</font>

Damn!! That last post sounded pretty fanatical to me.

Joel

Iran Contra anyone?

[ahartman]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> I don't like fanatics, which is my excuse for shunning the Democratic party today. </font>

LOL - you gotta be kidding me.

Just keep listening to Rush Limbaugh, The O'Reilley Factor, The 700 Club and all those other balanced, fair-minded Republican shows.

Not a personal dig, but c'mon - anytime someone mentions the absolute farthest reaching group of either party as the general mindset of that party, it just amuses me to no end.

[Gurm]

I have to jump in here, but only for a minute. The point in fact is that virtually ALL politicians are schmucks. The ones that are dangerously criminal schmucks should be taken out a shot.

Ted "Stoli" Kennedy should do hard time for murder. End of story.

George "Dubya" Bush got drunk a few times. Whoop-di-doo. Private, non-politician-type people are allowed to continue living, driving, and endangering people after dozens of DUI's. George got pulled over ONCE for being a bit tipsy. It's over, it's done.

Bill "Sick ****" Clinton lied, cheated repeatedly, molested women, used his power to get sex and intimidate people, lied to a grand jury, and is generally a scum of a human being. Did we bash him? No.

Did Chelsea get drunk at college whilst Billy Boy was in office? You betcha! ALL college kids drink. I laugh whenever I hear about "Zero Tolerance" and how "Underage Drinking Kills". I need to remind those people that 100% of kids aged 18-21 get OBLITERATED (in other words falling down puking drunk) at least a few times in those three years - some on a weekly basis. This skews their numbers in an obscene way. Now we see that based on total alcohol consumed, there is a SMALLER percentage of problems with that group.

I personally don't see why the drinking age is so high anyway. It's purely political, and very stupid. I for one refuse to support the armed services for this very reason. If you are old enough to die, you are old enough to drink, smoke, and ****. Yet the legal age of entry into the USAS is 17... under the legal age of consent, smoking, or drinking.

Stupid stupid stupid.

So the final point in this completely meandering post is:

LEAVE THE BUSHES ALONE.

- Gurm

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[KvHagedorn]

Is it fanatical to oppose fanatics? ..sigh.. as William Howard Taft said, "Politics make me sick."

Gurm, I wouldn't lump Ted Kennedy in with the "hard time for murder" crowd. He was drunk and probably cheating on his wife with a young girl when he recklessly destroyed her life by driving her off a bridge. I don't have any evidence to say this was premeditated or malicious (though it may have been a premeditated malicious act instigated by the Kennedys that killed Marilyn Monroe). Ted was probably just being reckless and stupid in the course of his drunken, thoughtless, philandering ways. Should he have done some time? Yeah, most likely. Manslaughter and reckless driving and adultery all rolled into one, but not murder. Did he deserve to continue serving in the Senate for 30 years? I don't think he did.

There is a lot of lawlessness in our government. It's pretty shocking to see how much of it there is. Do these people believe themselves to be above the law? Maybe. Power does weird things to people. Were they correct in that assumption? Often they were.

Back on topic: Jenna Bush is not a senator, she just wants to be allowed to live her life. I just hope she'll be more careful in the future and realize what a bunch of sharks are out there waiting for her next time she goes out to eat. You and I don't have to worry about this when we go eat Mexican food, but she and her sister do now. It doesn't matter that the Clintons can tell the press to leave Chelsea alone and they do it, but when George asks the press to leave his daughters alone, they think this is full of dark portents. What did you call it, Mike? Boneheaded? Well if loving his children enough to ask the press to respect their privacy is boneheaded, then in his place, would you be a bonehead? Were Bill and Hillary boneheads for wanting the same thing? Enough already.

[Joel]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">LEAVE THE BUSHES ALONE.</font>

No, I won't. If they want to be left alone then they need to stop doing stupid things. Also GWB promised me a better way of life if he was elected and I expect him to keep those promises. Policies, that harm our environment, make the rich richer and the poor poorer, that cause more intrusion into my personal life and the implementation of a tax cut that will harm the future of Social Security is not creating a better way of life IMO. And when I see voting pretty much along party lines that lets me know that he is not doing to good of a job pulling the two parties together for the good of the American people, which was another one of his campaign promises.

Joel