Sometimes it is ok to spank your kids

[rugger]

Originally posted by Gurm
Thank you, High_Jumbllama.

I never advocated beatings for the sake of beatings. I advocate corporal punishment as part of a comprehensive childraising plan, which ALSO involves showing your children every day how much you love them.

- Gurm

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I forgot to add my reply

I better say I am with grum here, because it is too easy to miss the forest for the trees (another crappy cliche) when discussing things like this and I don't want to give anyone any ideas that I am a tortourous unloving bastard

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[Lizzard[MPE]]

did u forget to say something rugger?

[Jammrock]

I can not comment much here, as I am not a parent. But from my experiences as a child and as an uncle 9 times over, I can give some input.

There is a difference between a swift spank on the bottom and beating the kid. A swift spank to the bottom will get the point across without causing any adverse trauma to the child. As a child I received many a swift spanking until my parents could reason with me.

The main problem in my view is that kids are being too sheltered and not educated in morales. Parent let TV's, computers and some stranger's kid raise their children, instead of taking them out on family trips and teaching them what is wrong and what is right. And honestly, no matter what some parents do, some kids will just go bad. That's the way life is.

As for the media causing kids to be violent. Look what happened with the G.I. Joe and Transformers generation. How often did you hear about school shootings in the late 80's, early 90's? Not that often. Now look at the tele-tubbies and barney generation! School shooting every damn month. If I was raised on that crap, I would probably go crazy too! Kids need to be slowly and caustiously exposed to the real world, and be taught right and worng along the way, by loving, responsible parents.

Little boys need to play with action figures like G.I. Joe with his kung-fu action fist and combo machine gun, bazooka, death ray cannon fighting againt Opertron, the new Autobot leader. Little boys should be allowed to fight with each other every once in a while. It teaches them how futile fighting is. Little girls should be allowed to play with the perfect body Barbie and be happy damn it!

But then again...like I said...I've never raised a kid myself, so I'm only working on observation here.

Jammrock

[Lizzard[MPE]]

I completely agree with your whole entire quote Jamm

[Dr Mordrid]

Works for me too.

Dr. Mordrid

[The PIT]

Yup I agree with this.

[High_Jumbllama]

Originally posted by Jammrock
The main problem in my view is that kids are being too sheltered and not educated in morales. Parent let TV's, computers and some stranger's kid raise their children, instead of taking them out on family trips and teaching them what is wrong and what is right. And honestly, no matter what some parents do, some kids will just go bad. That's the way life is.

As for the media causing kids to be violent. Look what happened with the G.I. Joe and Transformers generation. How often did you hear about school shootings in the late 80's, early 90's? Not that often. Now look at the tele-tubbies and barney generation! School shooting every damn month. If I was raised on that crap, I would probably go crazy too! Kids need to be slowly and caustiously exposed to the real world, and be taught right and worng along the way, by loving, responsible parents.
Jammrock

Yes!
and both have their places in teaching our children.

[The PIT]

Tele-tubbies causing violence yeh programs have got dafter. Hold on have we found a link here dafter kiddies programs more immature teenagers mmm.

[Gurm]

Ok, this is a good place to rant about my most hated new show...

"Bear in the Big Blue House"

This program DOES teach good things to kids. Teamwork, honesty, etc.

BUT, it also rather subtly teaches them to disrespect authority.

Consider - "Bear" is the parent figure in the house.

Every episode, Bear has a plan for the day. This plan is immediately and fatally interrupted, every episode, by the other characters - the "children" characters.

Bear then spends the entire episode catering to the rugrats' WANTS. Not their NEEDS.

He never does what he intended to do.

Some episodes, he gets something special in the mail. Without fail, this special item (which ostensibly he has ordered) is commandeered by the kids, who play with it, abuse it, and if they bother to return it, do so in an unusable state.

What does this teach kids, in its subtle way?

It doesn't matter what your parents say, want, or do. If you bug them long enough they will do whatever you want them to.

- Gurm

P.S. Don't even get me started on Barney... "If you're sad, or angry, or upset - don't let it show. Just put it away deep inside, and put on a happy face anyway!"

[The PIT]

Like my Neice. One time she was up she asked for the curtains to be closed becuase of the sun. Fair enougth it was in her eyes so i close it. Next day I come down for breakfast the sun is stuck behind a rather large cloud the room is gloomy so I open the curtain. The next minute my neice is covering her eyes up like shes been blinded and my sister is telling me off. Ignoring the fact that the sun wasn't out at all. My Neice is very clever and is getting badly spoilt which is a pity. If she passes a macdonalds shes got to go in or she has temper fit but she always leaves the food. So far My sister and My brother in Law haven't learn't how to say No and don't like other people doing it for them.

[thop]

So please - this is your only hope at obtaining credibility. Do it for yourself. Don't do it for me - I already know I'm right.

[Pneumatic]

Wow!

I really didn't mean for this to turn into a giant debate. I just thought it was a funny picture. Guess I should have reworded the title of the thread, huh?

[Joel]

Hey I was raised on Bugs Bunny and Road Runner, considered two of the most violent cartoons by some, and I turned out OK. But then again I was raised in a household where my mother was fortunate enough to be able to be at home, which I think is important. We were not rich by any streach on the imagination and I remember many nights where the meal for the evening was rice with tomatoes and canned spam. Unfortunately we live in an economy today that, unless you happen to be fortunate enough to get the truely high paying jobs, causes both parents to have to work just to provide a decent home for their children. I for one and others I know would love to be more involved in our children's lives but due to work restrants are unable to. I do try to do as much as I can but there is only so many hours in a day. And there is only so many vacation days that I am provided, by the company I work for.

Joel

PS I heard a story the other day from a guy I know that does contruction work about a job that he was on where the owner of the house was a former CEO of a hospital group. After he retired he cashed in his stock options and decided to build himself and his wife a 40,000 square foot house. According to this guy this house has 5 master bedrooms with a master master bedroom that is bigger than the downstairs of my house. Now that IMO is ridiculous while people that work at the hospital where he was at are srugglling day in and day out just to make ends meet.

[BuddMan]

Ok, so what did we all learn today.....

Watch cartoons, don't take drugs (hehe), and drink plenty of beer. That's the road to the American Dream my friends....

Yeah, I'm bored...

[Claymonkey]

I'm glad to see people actually agree with what I think on this subject. Gurm and Jammrock I agree with practically everything you said.

I got my fair share of quick whacks on the bum as a kid, and when I got older and deserved it my Dad would send me to my room with the knowledge that I was going to be spanked. After a decent amount of time he would come in and talk to me about my actions and would want MY reasons for why what I did was wrong. He would then either agree and add to what I said or give me the real reasons why my actions was wrong. Then, and only then would he spank me. I know for a fact that one of the reasons he did this was he has a temper, but he didn't want to spank me in anger. So he turned it into a practical lesson and a chance to cool down.

I am of the Transformer/GI Joe Generation and I sure as heck am not violent, but I definetly needed that outlet as a kid. As for Barney....shudder. Parents should limit TV to Sesame Street (which taught me how to read before kindergarten thank you very much, freaked my parents out the first time I read in front of them) and spend time with their kids. To many people use TV as a babysitter. I know it's hard to spend enough time with kids in the present work world but there is always a way.

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