Paul Harvey's hopes for childhood

[Gurm]

Bleh. I love the fact that everyone is ignoring one of the key issues - marijuana is illegal not because it is bad for you. It _IS_ bad for you, but substantially less so than either Alcohol OR Cigarettes.

Long term memory loss? Check out the effects of alcoholism. I'll take memory loss over liver disease. Don't even get started on the horrific things tobacco does to you.

But this is all moot. Cannabis is criminal because... and let's be quite clear on this... of purely economic reasons (read: the anti-hemp lobby in decades past). It STAYS criminal because of the prevailing anti-drug "moral" culture in this country.

*shrug*

Americans are stupid. Politicians are stupid. American Politicians - dumber than pig shit. Truth hurts.

- Gurm

[Greebe]

I have already provided stats on how there are more car accidents involved with alcohol than there are with weed, and no one could bring up anything that said otherwise.

That's because there are no stats on the subject... none have been done, nor are police doing urine analysis tests for intoxication by other substances outside of possibly California.

I have also provided material which supports that weed does not provide harmful side effects if not abused.

Define abuse

The amount to reach abusive levels is different for everyone as it is with everything else, so I cannot determine that on a person to person level.

You are not qualified to make these kinds of assements.

I can only attest for those I know and myself until they develope some kind of system that defines this (such as blood alcohol content, etc.).

Again you are not qualified to make this type of assesment.

I have given reasons to why the stats others have provided do not apply to the case at hand that we are discussing.

Only your proof counts?

The only thing those stats prove is that if the use of marajuana is abused, then it will cause harmful side effects.

I can agree with that

But this is true with any substance, even food. No one has given a reason to why my information and material provided is not accurate in relation to the topic we are discussing.

When an expert like yourself comes in proclaiming all that you have it's not difficult at all to debunk without having to prove otherwise. But the point is mute at this point. Problem is this thread by your hand was severely derailed from it's original content over 1 single thing that Paul Harvey stated and you rejected. I'm over it, mostly because I could care less what PH says/thinks, why aren't you?

[Gurm]

Oh, and because I forgot...

Paul Harvey is a pucilanimous twit.

- Gurm

[Strahd]

Originally posted by BuddMan
To Strahd:

Try driving drunk as hell and see how difficult it is. Then try driving stoned. The difference is amazing. You are less apt to be in a car accident when stoned compared to being drunk and driving. The sites I have provided give information on this and support this. There has been no study able to show otherwise.

Buddman, I like to think I'm a wee bit smarter than to do either.

The reason there are more accidents involving alcohol than pot is simply because alcohol is legal and is found pretty much everywhere. Far more people drink than smoke.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

i actually have a story (surprise) that involves driving stoned and driving drunk.

I got stoned at the local pool hall my senior year one friday night. all of a sudden i got very sleepy and felt out of sorts.. completly freaked out. i said i was goin to go lie down in my car and take a nap. i got to my car and decided that people wud be ****ing with me the whole time so i decided to take the worst 9 mile trip of my life. i started driving down the road and i lost the use of my right eye. then my neck and head started doing sorta this twiching thing. some kind of a spazm that was completly impairing my driving abilities. i looked in my rearview mirror and i had about 12 cars driving behind me .. in the far back a cop. it felt like i was driving 100 when i was only driving 35.. but since the 12 cars were behind me i started to drive faster.. about 55. which felt like 140. i couldnt pull of the side of the road because the cop would have pulled off to see if i needed assistance.. well i made it home slept 4 hours and felt fine later. but my point it driving while under the influence of any drug is not good. and if they legalized pot then we cud have millions of ppl driving around like that with similar stories. i decided i'm not going to write about the drunk story. this was long enough.

anyway. if they legalized pot, it would be abused like everyother drug we have. as much i would like it to be legalized for the pot smokers of the world out there.. deep down i dont think its a good idea. they would have a hard time regulating it .

[BuddMan]

I think it should be legalized at least for medical purposes. But I agree, driving under the influence of any drug or substance is not a good idea. Of course, I say that and then do another thing...

But I still stand by what I have said. And Gurm is right. The reason marajuana is illegal isn't even for moral reasons. It's economic. Tobacco companies would take a big dive if it were legalized to be used like cigarettes. Oh well, I hope I didn't piss anyone off and thanks for keeping me interested at work.

[Greebe]

RJR has the rights (by US Gov no less) to produce it themself if legalized (this was done in... umm 1977?)... and it wouldn't negatively affect the sales of Cigarettes. If they cut out the middleman from the picture and sold we would have a much higher quality product for the same money. Now if a quarter bag (7-8 grams on avg) goes for ~$40 (has for the last 25 years) then they would all make a bloody fortune! The taxation on this product should then go toward the REAL war on drugs (not some bloody special interest BS like they do everything these days)... the hard shit, Heroin, Opium, Coke, Crystal Meth etc and leave Joe average American alone (unless s/he violated the laws which would be neccessary if legalized). The byproducts also wouldn't all be wasted... the Hemp plant is known for some of the strongest natural fibers known and make a perfect material for making clothing etc (as is currently done by many manufactures... and by Benjimin Franklin to make rope, no less)... ie Tobbacco (read Virginia/NC) growers would be in for a windfall... that is if they could keep the natives out of the fields!

Gives a new meaning to... Anyone up for a bonfire?!

[Parhelia Pro256]

As long as I don't have to stand in line to get my Hawaiian then I'm in

[KvHagedorn]

Originally posted by Gurm
Oh, and because I forgot...

Paul Harvey is a pucilanimous twit.

- Gurm

Did you mean "pusillanimous," Jason? If you want to impress people with your vocabulary, it helps if you spell correctly.

BTW, I agree with your assessment. Harvey does have a few good things to say, but he isn't even close to being worthy of the worship some (including himself) lavish upon him. The man is a paid huckster and very old, so most of his hearing has probably left him, yet people believe his endorsement of the Bose Wave Radio is tantamount to the Word of God.

[Parhelia Pro256]

You're right, Howard Stern holds the first seat

[BuddMan]

I don't think Paul Harvey is a staight up twit. There is a reason he is so famous. He's one of the best journalists that ever lived, and to make a catch phrase, "And now you know the rest of the story," something so famous and recognized takes a lot of work. I've always found his stories interesting. But he has lived out his time and should probably step down.

[KRSESQ]

Paul Harvey is all right, until he gets on the subject of the United Nations. Then his voice takes on shrill tones normally reserved for the upper echelons of the John Birch Society.

And as a matter of fact those Bose Acoustic Wave things really sound great. Way overpriced for my taste, though.

[Wombat]

I'm usually not this simplistic, but Bose = crap.

[Greebe]

Bose is based mostly on very sound technology which decieves the listener.

Psychobabble at it's finest! (technically and marketing wise)

[IM_Riktar]

anyway. if they legalized pot, it would be abused like everyother drug we have.

That goes without saying in our society.

as much i would like it to be legalized for the pot smokers of the world out there.. deep down i dont think its a good idea. they would have a hard time regulating it .

The goverment? Regulating it isn't the problem. Getting the current "shareholders" in that industry to hand the profits over to the goverment, THAT is the problem.